Salvation by faith not works - a half truth
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what you had been doing is simply mis quoting the Bible, twist it with your own interpretation, that's why I am asking why are you doing this?Originally posted by Skibi:I have already stated my view very clearly and do not think i need to keep repeating myself. If you didn't understand anything then it is not meant for you to understand - no matter how many times i explain, you will still choose not to believe and say you don't understand.
what you said outside this forum is your business, I don't quite care, but coming here in a christian forum with your messed up mixes and mimic them as 'christian' doctrine' and insisted that christian should follow you is a gross act of mis-representation.
I would like you to state your stand here, as you had been going around spreading non-christian messages/doctrine (and still insisting its christian), miss-representing the Bible, twisting the salvation message which is core to our foundational belief.
so how? you coming from Gnostic, Mystic, or what point of view? -
Originally posted by vince69:
Name-calling will not get you anywhere. I believe you mentioned I-Kuan Tao before editing the post. Where I come from is irrelevant as God's message is a simple one - salvation is for everyone. The buddhist, the islam, the hindu, the catholic, the protestant... all will go to heaven if their character and deeds are deemed worthy by God. God is loving and just and certainly does not need to discriminate against what religion you are in.
what you had been doing is simply mis quoting the Bible, twist it with your own interpretation, that's why I am asking why are you doing this?
what you said outside this forum is your business, I don't quite care, but coming here in a christian forum with your messed up mixes and mimic them as 'christian' doctrine' and insisted that christian should follow you is a gross act of mis-representation.
I would like you to state your stand here, as you had been going around spreading non-christian messages/doctrine (and still insisting its christian), miss-representing the Bible, twisting the salvation message which is core to our foundational belief.
so how? you coming from Gnostic, Mystic, or what point of view?
If you are upset because your exclusive rights to the kingdom of heaven have just been taken away... I suggest you seek God for forgiveness and ask his guidance to be more loving towards your fellow men. -
Originally posted by Skibi:Name-calling will not get you anywhere. I believe you mentioned I-Kuan Tao before editing the post. Where I come from is irrelevant as God's message is a simple one - salvation is for everyone. The atheist, the buddhist, the islam, the hindu, the catholic, the protestant... all will go to heaven if their character and deeds are deemed worthy by God. God is loving and just and certainly does not need to discriminate against what religion you are in.
If you are upset because your exclusive rights to the kingdom of heaven have just been taken away... I suggest you seek God for forgiveness and ask his guidance to be more loving towards your fellow men.
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That's why I edit it as its not appropreiate,Originally posted by Skibi:Name-calling will not get you anywhere. I believe you mentioned I-Kuan Tao before editing the post. Where I come from is irrelevant as God's message is a simple one - salvation is for everyone. The atheist, the buddhist, the islam, the hindu, the catholic, the protestant... all will go to heaven if their character and deeds are deemed worthy by God. God is loving and just and certainly does not need to discriminate against what religion you are in.
If you are upset because your exclusive rights to the kingdom of heaven have just been taken away... I suggest you seek God for forgiveness and ask his guidance to be more loving towards your fellow men.
but to your view, yes, I am upset not because of whatever rights or notch...
but you miss-representing the Christian Scripture here, not only that, you are twisting the salvation message that is core to Christian foundational doctrine and insisting you are right.
If you are not coming in from a Christian point of view, please state so, and stop mimicing as one. If you want to question/attack a Christian doctrine, state so, instead of just twisting it to cause confusion to others. -
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
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Ok...saywhat u wantOriginally posted by Skibi:Name-calling will not get you anywhere. I believe you mentioned I-Kuan Tao before editing the post. Where I come from is irrelevant as God's message is a simple one - salvation is for everyone. The atheist, the buddhist, the islam, the hindu, the catholic, the protestant... all will go to heaven if their character and deeds are deemed worthy by God. God is loving and just and certainly does not need to discriminate against what religion you are in.
If you are upset because your exclusive rights to the kingdom of heaven have just been taken away... I suggest you seek God for forgiveness and ask his guidance to be more loving towards your fellow men.
But state clearly yours is not a Christian view. -
NUS:Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
For the last time. This is the final warning.
If you still want to study in NUS, please stop. -
Romans 16:17 (NIV)Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
17I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
not shuning those that disagree, but those who seek to cause division and put obstacles. -
skibi and nus super-alliance.
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I also disappointed with Skibi 'cos he anyhow pom the Jewish Scripture.
Till now he hasn't clarify whether Enoch need to offer sacrifice or not. -
I don't see vince69 calling you names.Originally posted by Skibi:Name-calling will not get you anywhere. I believe you mentioned I-Kuan Tao before editing the post. Where I come from is irrelevant as God's message is a simple one - salvation is for everyone. The atheist, the buddhist, the islam, the hindu, the catholic, the protestant... all will go to heaven if their character and deeds are deemed worthy by God. God is loving and just and certainly does not need to discriminate against what religion you are in.
What does salvation mean to you?
If salvation is based on one's moral character, what do we measure with?
You believe in Jesus. If salvation is by deeds, why did Jesus have to die on the cross. If salvation is by deeds, there is no need for Christ to die on the cross.
Salvation is open to all, but only by submitting ourselves to the Lordship of Christ (John 14:6).
Salvation is reconciliating with God. It is making our relationship right with God the Father. A relationship based on deeds is bound to fail. It is only through God's mercy that we are forgiven. It is by faith that we accept this forgiveness.
Again we state that salvation is by faith. If I may speak for all, this is the belief of the Christians in EH. We do not believe faith can be worked out by deeds.
I know that you do not agree with this. May I propose that we just let this discussion end here. -
*warning*Originally posted by sillyme:I know that you do not agree with this. May I propose that we just let this discussion end here.
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Originally posted by sillyme:
Search your concience... Do you feel guilty whenever you think wicked thoughts or do evil deeds? Why do people feel good when they do good deeds with a sincere heart? This idea that salvation is by faith and not character and deeds goes against what the Holy Spirit is trying to tell us in our hearts.
I don't see vince69 calling you names.
What does salvation mean to you?
If salvation is based on one's moral character, what do we measure with?
You believe in Jesus. If salvation is by deeds, why did Jesus have to die on the cross. If salvation is by deeds, there is no need for Christ to die on the cross.
Salvation is open to all, but only by submitting ourselves to the Lordship of Christ (John 14:6).
Salvation is reconciliating with God. It is making our relationship right with God the Father. A relationship based on deeds is bound to fail. It is only through God's mercy that we are forgiven. It is by faith that we accept this forgiveness.
Again we state that salvation is by faith. If I may speak for all, this is the belief of the Christians in EH. We do not believe faith can be worked out by deeds.
I know that you do not agree with this. May I propose that we just let this discussion end here.
We are not forgiven by God's mercy as God cannot be a partial God. We are forgiven only when we deserved to be forgived. That is if we show repentance by cultivating an upright character and doing good deeds. Those who do not bear good fruit will not be forgiven as they do not deserve it - the fire awaits them.
Jesus died so that people of the past who did not practise the tradition of burnt offerings to absolve sins may be saved based on their good character and deeds.
Jesus died so that people of the present and future of all race, religion, and cultures may be saved based on similar criteria.
In short, Jesus died out of great love for you and me. Why should we belittle the great love of God by preaching discrimination against non-believers of our religion?
Similarly why should we belittle our good intentions and deeds? Heaven is not a place where one must get 100/100 marks to enter. Rather 2 marks may be sufficent if God deems your character to be worthy. Every little deed done with a sincere heart counts in the eyes of God. -
I not interested in going to Heaven. Heaven got nothing but maybe singing carols, praise lord and all other happy things. I want to go Hell. There got violence, sex, drug, cigarettes and party every night.
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you are in for a rude shock...Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I not interested in going to Heaven. Heaven got nothing but maybe singing carols, praise lord and all other happy things. I want to go Hell. There got violence, sex, drug, cigarettes and party every night. -
Jesus died so that whoever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life.Originally posted by Skibi:Jesus died so that people of the past who did not practise the tradition of burnt offerings to absolve sins may be saved based on their good character and deeds. -
Two thieves hung on the cross when Christ was crucified. One of them repented and asked Jesus to remember him in paradise. Jesus declared that the thief will be saved. (ref. Luke 23:32-43)
Was the thief saved by faith or by deeds? -
Originally posted by sillyme:
Jesus saw into the thief's heart and knew that he sincerely wished to turn over a new leaf. The subsequent act speaking up in Jesus' favor when he was being insulted counts as a good deed.
Two thieves hung on the cross when Christ was crucified. One of them repented and asked Jesus to remember him in paradise. Jesus declared that the thief will be saved. (ref. Luke 23:32-43)
Was the thief saved by faith or by deeds?Luke 23:40-41 NIV
But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." -
skibi, ur beliefs are totally distorted.
To all non christians out there, pls do not believe a single thing of wad skibi says, those are not christian teachings. -
The rebuke of the thief contained key points.
- He feared God's judgement
- He believed that Jesus is innocent
- The consequence of sin is death
- Instead of asking to be saved from death, he asked Jesus to remember in His kingdom. He recognised Jesus as the Saviour.
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Originally posted by sillyme:
If the thief was saved by his faith Jesus would have said so explicitly as he has done in other parts of the bible only in conjunction with the working of miracles. i.e he would have said your great faith has granted you salvation.
The rebuke of the thief contained key points.
- He feared God's judgement
- He believed that Jesus is innocent
- The consequence of sin is death
- Instead of asking to be saved from death, he asked Jesus to remember in His kingdom. He recognised Jesus as the Saviour.
That was the faith that saved him.Matthew 15:28 NIV
Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.Matthew 8:8-10 NIV
The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. -
Originally posted by Skibi:
Similiarly Jesus did not say explicitly that the thief's rebuke was a "good deed".
If the thief was saved by his faith Jesus would have said so explicitly as he has done in other parts of the bible only in conjunction with the working of miracles. i.e he would have said your great faith has granted you salvation.
We have stated the Christian belief. I will let it be so. -
I tot u said faith not important?Originally posted by Skibi: -
Skibi is the man siah.
everybody also shoot .. jews, protestants, catholics .. -
he wanna start his own religion ma.. skibism.. LOLOriginally posted by Icemoon:Skibi is the man siah.
everybody also shoot .. jews, protestants, catholics ..