Are we winning or losing pple for Christ?
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meaning we are his children. as a parent, he is responsible for his kids' mess. he better clean it up. what kind of example is god setting by allowing his kids to run all over the world and pollute everything? is he sending the right message to all the parents in the world?Originally posted by fymk:God did not cause the problems. He made man and gave them free will . That free will was a gift he gave them and humans choose to destroy it by exploiting the world, destroying nature, genocide, warring etc.
We all have free will to make our choices , good or bad, and we are responsible for the choices we make. That is our gift.
As for other religions , I prefer it if Christians will respect and be mindful of other parties before trying to recruit them - all major religions are to be respected . I know someone who was aggressively recruiting was saying that it is the duty of all christians to spread the good word and convert others from the demonic ways. I don't think telling people they are worshipping a "demon" helps in them converting to christianity.
It is by action that you set a good example so that people will come by their free will and be interested in Christianity as a whole because you are a good person. Have a friend who converted to Catholicism by her own will because she thought that the nuns who taught her in school are very good people. I asked her if they sort of pressured her. She said no . They respect her former religion (Buddhism) and she found it fascinating. -
God did not cause the problems. He made man and gave them free will . That free will was a gift he gave them and humans choose to destroy it by exploiting the world, destroying nature, genocide, warring etc.
I always ask tis question when i see the word free will and I still have not get my answer to tis. So I am gonna ask again
God give men free will. Free will definitely leads to sinning. God do not allow men to sin. So god want men to be sinners or want men to have free will ? Having free will leads to sinning which is bad for god. Having no sins but definitely no free will is bad for god. So how ? -
So should we jail parents of criminals as well especially when their children choose to abandon law ? We might as well blame the whole family for the wrong choices a person make . Is that what you are saying?Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:meaning we are his children. as a parent, he is responsible for his kids' mess. he better clean it up. what kind of example is god setting by allowing his kids to run all over the world and pollute everything? is he sending the right message to all the parents in the world?
No offence, this sounds like people rather shift blame onto someone else rather than to take responsibility of their actions and decisions. With free will, comes responsibilty of making sure you don't thread on the rights of others. At the end of our lives , and this is my personal belief , we stand before him and he will judge us by our own actions we taken.
God didn't create the problems, HUMANS DID . To be fair, we have people who try to undo the damage like people who try to help the poor and disadvantaged, doctors who volunteer at the risk to their own lives in chaotic areas, people who just care for the wellbeing of others.
Come on - give me a better argument . -
God does not want men to sin . However it is our choice if we chose to and we bear the consequences on Judgement day.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I always ask tis question when i see the word free will and I still have not get my answer to tis. So I am gonna ask again
God give men free will. Free will definitely leads to sinning. God do not allow men to sin. So god want men to be sinners or want men to have free will ? Having free will leads to sinning which is bad for god. Having no sins but definitely no free will is bad for god. So how ?
So are you saying just because we have free will , all of us are going to be great sinners like murdering people, stealing from people, committing adultery ? God might as well create robots instead but he created a variety in the world. He chosen to give us free will in the hope that we will come to him willingly, love and worship him out of our own free will .
So are you saying you rather mindlessly serve a god than to have that free will to choose what you want to believe in ? -
urs is not up to mark actuallyOriginally posted by fymk:So should we jail parents of criminals as well especially when their children choose to abandon law ? We might as well blame the whole family for the wrong choices a person make . Is that what you are saying?
No offence, this sounds like people rather shift blame onto someone else rather than to take responsibility of their actions and decisions. With free will, comes responsibilty of making sure you don't thread on the rights of others.
Come on - give me a better argument .
he/she did not imply parents have to go to jail
its true that parents are a lot responsible for their kids' upbringing, but this is god we are talking about, its an omnipotent omnipresent creator, ie, a parent with the absolute power to change destiny -
may be so . She is implying that God is to be blamed for the world's troubles for giving men free will. So should we blame all parents for letting their kids go wild and let the parents blame god for letting their kids turn wild? Indirect blaming.Originally posted by laurence82:urs is not up to mark actually
he/she did not imply parents have to go to jail
its true that parents are a lot responsible for their kids' upbringing, but this is god we are talking about, its an omnipotent omnipresent creator, ie, a parent with the absolute power to change destiny
As with all things, god works in mysterious ways . I don't seek to understand God because like u say it is omnipotent omnipresent . That is just a logical view I have to make sense of things. All I know God gave us free will to think, breathe and live in the world he created. I can't blame God for all misfortunes when I make the wrong decision , can I? -
i think its more like, u can only blame parents for some, but god for everything..since again, he is the creator..unless of cuz there are other godsOriginally posted by fymk:may be so . She is implying that God is to be blamed for the world's troubles for giving men free will. So should we blame all parents for letting their kids go wild and let the parents blame god for letting their kids turn wild? Indirect blaming.
As with all things, god works in mysterious ways . I don't seek to understand God because like u say it is omnipotent omnipresent . That is just a logical view I have to make sense of things. All I know God gave us free will to think, breathe and live in the world he created. I can't blame God for all misfortunes when I make the wrong decision , can I?
so we have two kinds of views on god, one who control destiny, one who gives free will? -
I think SIS is saying that:Originally posted by fymk:God does not want men to sin . However it is our choice if we chose to and we bear the consequences on Judgement day.
So are you saying just because we have free will , all of us are going to be great sinners like murdering people, stealing from people, committing adultery ? God might as well create robots instead but he created a variety in the world. He chosen to give us free will in the hope that we will come to him willingly, love and worship him out of our own free will .
So are you saying you rather mindlessly serve a god than to have that free will to choose what you want to believe in ?
God knows free will will lead us to sinning which is bad.
Creating us to become robots is also bad.
So how? -
As u have posted information in the other thread that u attend Grace AOG Church, I assume that u are a Christian. Pls correct me if I am wrong.Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:meaning we are his children. as a parent, he is responsible for his kids' mess. he better clean it up. what kind of example is god setting by allowing his kids to run all over the world and pollute everything? is he sending the right message to all the parents in the world?
If u are a Christian, pls stop your nonsense here. Take this advice from a Christian bro.
If u are not, at least, give a thought b4 u post #%$%$^#&#& -
haha normally if a young child goes crazy in the mall, ppl will kp the parents.Originally posted by fymk:So should we jail parents of criminals as well especially when their children choose to abandon law ? We might as well blame the whole family for the wrong choices a person make . Is that what you are saying?
No offence, this sounds like people rather shift blame onto someone else rather than to take responsibility of their actions and decisions. With free will, comes responsibilty of making sure you don't thread on the rights of others. At the end of our lives , and this is my personal belief , we stand before him and he will judge us by our own actions we taken.
God didn't create the problems, HUMANS DID . To be fair, we have people who try to undo the damage like people who try to help the poor and disadvantaged, doctors who volunteer at the risk to their own lives in chaotic areas, people who just care for the wellbeing of others.
Come on - give me a better argument .
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eh my knowledge of the bible is not very good. but isn't everything about dear god in the bible? i dun remember everything in the bible. but somehow i retained this. god killed a fruit tree just becos its fruit is not juicy. sounds to me that god has his evil moments.Originally posted by fymk:may be so . She is implying that God is to be blamed for the world's troubles for giving men free will. So should we blame all parents for letting their kids go wild and let the parents blame god for letting their kids turn wild? Indirect blaming.
As with all things, god works in mysterious ways . I don't seek to understand God because like u say it is omnipotent omnipresent . That is just a logical view I have to make sense of things. All I know God gave us free will to think, breathe and live in the world he created. I can't blame God for all misfortunes when I make the wrong decision , can I? -
eh i attend church. not regularly. does that make me a christian?Originally posted by laoda99:As u have posted information in the other thread that u attend Grace AOG Church, I assume that u are a Christian. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
If u are a Christian, pls stop your nonsense here. Take this advice from a Christian bro.
If u are not, at least, give a thought b4 u post #%$%$^#&#&
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If you have nagging doubts - it is best you talk to someone who is a clergy/pastor/reverend since they are the specialist instead of asking the laymen here. Most of us have our beliefs and you might not agree with them due to doctrinal differences.Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:eh i attend church. not regularly. does that make me a christian? oh no....
Why attend church if you don't think it is right? It is like being forced to shop with someone who only wants to look at something you are not interested in . I think that is wrong. I prefer people to attend church of their own accord to worship rather than because of their friends or family. The faith has to come from yourself, not anyone else. -
God giveth , god taketh and God works in mysterious ways. God is a loving god but god can be wrathful of man's transgressions and punish him . Akin to what you call Punishing the kid for knowingly misbehaves .Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:eh my knowledge of the bible is not very good. but isn't everything about dear god in the bible? i dun remember everything in the bible. but somehow i retained this. god killed a fruit tree just becos its fruit is not juicy. sounds to me that god has his evil moments.
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So should we jail parents of criminals as well especially when their children choose to abandon law ? We might as well blame the whole family for the wrong choices a person make . Is that what you are saying?
Isn't tat wat god do when they punish us for wat adam and eve do ? The whole species of mankind, more than 10 billion people from the past till now, are blamed for the wrong choice 2 individual made. Is tat wat u r saying ?So are you saying just because we have free will , all of us are going to be great sinners like murdering people, stealing from people, committing adultery ? God might as well create robots instead but he created a variety in the world. He chosen to give us free will in the hope that we will come to him willingly, love and worship him out of our own free will .
No, we do not have to kill people or steal from peopel to be sinners. There r tons of people, if not most people who do not do tat but according to christainity they still sin. The idea of sinning is so trivial tat even placing your exam as more important as god is a deadly sin. Free will will definitely lead to sinning, and tat is why everyone according to christainity r sinners. To summarise the issue, using davidche words
God knows free will will lead us to sinning which is bad.
Creating us to become robots is also bad.
So how? -
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