A buddhist monk got revived..
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If its purely on some miracle healings and whatnot, i guess that would be good reading for Christians
But the content is inflammatory for some of its anti-religious content
especially this part
"The terrible, terrible lake of fire
The king of hell told me to look into the lake of fire. I looked and I saw the saffron colored robes that Buddhist monks wear in Myanmar. I looked closer and saw the shaven head of a man. When I looked at the man's face I saw it was U Zadila Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw [the famous monk who had died in a car accident in 1983]. I asked the king of hell why my former leader was confined to this lake of torment. I said, "Why is he in this lake of fire? He was a very good teacher. He even had a teaching tape called 'Are You a Man or a Dog?' which had helped thousands of people understand that their worth as humans is far greater than the animals." The king of hell replied, "Yes, he was a good teacher but he did not believe in Jesus Christ. That's why he is in hell."
I was told to look at another person who was in the fire. I saw a man with very long hair wrapped on the left hand side of his head. He was also wearing a robe. I asked the king of hell, "Who is this man?" He replied, "This is the one you worship: Gautama [Buddha]." I was very disturbed to see Gautama in hell. I protested, "Gautama had good ethnics and good moral character, why is he suffering in this lake of fire?" The king of hell answered me, "It doesn't matter how good he was. He is in this place because he did not believe in the Eternal God." -
yeap kind of
but this is his experience
I don't know also
my friend sent me this link one
then I just read lor
you Christian? -
NoOriginally posted by Diehard_89:yeap kind of
but this is his experience
I don't know also
my friend sent me this link one
then I just read lor
you Christian?
Read and keep it to yourself lor -
Report to ISD please.
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this is rich, a vision of buddha burning in hell.
den how come so many monks got visions of buddha still teaching in other realms?
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so, what u think? why leh?Originally posted by Ito_^:this is rich, a vision of buddha burning in hell.
den how come so many monks got visions of buddha still teaching in other realms? -
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/resurrected_monk.html
Topic title: Christians Debunk Resurrection of Buddhist Monk in Myanmar...Pastors in Myanmar are still asking for real evidence and living witnesses to the claimed miracle with whom they can discuss and verify the story. So far, the story's authenticity remains with the claims made by Asia Harvest.
The story of the 'resurrected Paul' is known throughout much of Myanmar - and his tape has circulated (in several versions). Hardly anyone in Myanmar - especially amongst Christian leaders - has accepted or believed the story.
There is just nothing to back it up.
Far from the 'resurrected monk' story providing a 'fearless and faithful witness to Jesus Christ, whose testimony is converting Buddhists, strengthening the church or bringing glory to God's name', Myanmar pastor have told our Director that it has brought fear and suspicion to many Christians in the country. We concluded our 2001 report with the comment: Whatever the truth behind this sad saga, most Christians, and most pastors and church leaders in Myanmar, are not taking this story seriously and see little value in it for the growth of the Christian community in that country... -
http://www.buddha.sg/htm/general/faq01.htm
Dear All NDE Fans,
I was alerted and requested by someone in a responsible position
to check for the authenticity of the story behind this posting. After
speaking to and exchanging Emails with Myanmar (Burmese) monks as
well as fellow Myanmar Buddhism experts in many countries, I am 100%
confident that this NDE story is completely fictitious. The reasons
are given below.
(1) All Burmese experts said they had never heard of the story
about this Myanmar Buddhist monk before.
(2) There is also no reports either in Burma or outside Burma of
mass defection of Myanmar Buddhist Monks to join the Christian
Church.
(3) The monk in the story said he became a novice at the age of
18. It is rather unusual as most boys Burmese boys join the monastic
life at younger age than 18.
(4) At the age of 19, he became a monk. This is also unusual as
the entry age for becoming a fully ordained monk is 20. (There is one
exception when one considers the foetal life while in the mother's
womb)
(5) U Zadila, also known as 'Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw' was described as
probably the most famous Buddhist Teacher of the time. That is
disputable. Venerable Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw was indeed well known and
very popular as public speaker and preacher. But he was not regarded
as the most distinguished monk academically and intellectually.
(6) The monk said 'Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw' died in a car crash in
1983 . In fact Sayadaw died in Myanmar Era 1339 = about 1977. There
was a 6 years discrepancy which is unacceptable as the monk said he
studied under him. He should know the exact year when his teacher
died. And that 1977 was also the year when he became a monk. This
fact alone is enough to brand the story as a fake or invention.
(7) He said he was given a new name of 'U Nata Pannita
Ashinthuriya' when he entered the monastery. In Burma, the
title 'shin' was used for the novice. 'U' was never used for a
novice.
(
The monk's new name itself was unusual nor unheard of,
according to the monks I consulted.
(9) Doctors diagnosed Malaria and Yellow fever. Actually the
Yellow Fever was not known to exist in Burma.
(10) To recover completely after very severe malaria is most
unusual especially after being discharged to die.
(11) To regain Life after the body started to decay (decompose) is
impossible according to conventional medical thinking.
There are other discrepancies regarding his actual NDE. But there
is no need to dig deeper. It is a complete FICTION.
It is very regrettable that a Christian Church was reported to be
involved in creating this dishonest practice.
We expect 'James' to say something about our findings. He is the
one who reported the story to the world media. After reading his
various postings to this forum, I believe that he is either a priest
or a serious Christian. We welcome his reply as well as the
communication from the Church authorities who wrote the Introduction
to this fictitious story and published in their regular bulletin.
Best wishes to all,
Melvin,
MyanmarBuddhist@n... -
http://www.ccgm.org.au/Articles/ARTICLE-0102.htm
Resurrected Burmese Monk Story Revisited
During the year 2000, numerous emails circulated on the Internet
passing on the dramatic story: ‘BACK FROM THE DEAD The Remarkable
Testimony of a Buddhist monk in Myanmar (Burma) who came back to life
a changed man!Â’
With CCG MinistriesÂ’ involvement in Asia, including Myanmar, we were
very interested in this story and its authenticity.
It was brought to ‘life’ on the Internet through the promotion of a
Christian missionary organization then called, Asian Minorities
Outreach, later changing its name to: Asia Harvest, headquartered in
Texas, USA, and operating from Thailand. Its Director, Paul Hatthaway,
has written several books, including ‘The Heavenly Man’.
For quite some time the ‘resurrected Buddhist monk’ story appeared on
the front page of the organisationÂ’s website. Then the actual story
was removed from their website, but a remaining reference to it
encouraged people to request a copy of the story by email. The
following explanation for the change, was given by the group at the
time:
‘A Quick Note: We have been asked by many people why this testimony
is no longer available on our website. We were ordered to remove the
story by the government of Singapore, who had apparently received
complaints from Buddhists. As our website is housed in Singapore at
the moment, we didnÂ’t have much choice.Â’
AMO/Asia Harvest introduced the story with the following
introduction:
‘The story that follows is simply a translation of a taped testimony
from a man with a life-changing story. It is not an interview or a
biography, but simply the words from the man himself. Different
people react in different ways when they hear this story. Some are
inspired, some skeptical, a few will mock and ridicule, while some
others have even been filled with rage and anger, convinced these
words are the ravings of a mad man or an elaborate deception. Some
Christians have opposed the story simply because the radical and
miraculous events described herein do not fit their feeble image of an
Almighty God.Â’
We were concerned with the above wording and commented in our 2001
report that it was interesting to note the approach they took in the
introduction. Anyone who questioned the story would immediately be
labelled as a sceptic, a mocker or ridiculer, someone filled with rage
and anger, or worse a Christian whose concept of God is feeble and who
does not believe that an Almighty God can be radical and perform
miracles.
This could be seen by some as a form of bullying and intimidation to
dismiss any form of thought and questioning of the story. It is not a
healthy or biblical approach to dealing with questions about such a
dramatic story, nor does it encourage people to use their minds.
The resurrected monkÂ’s story was quite a dramatic tale and it has
impressed many people. It was even reported in the well-known
Christian Singaporean magazine: IMPACT (June/July 2000, p.45). It
continued to be circulated and passed on through emails for some time.
But was it true? If it was, it SHOULD be circulated - whatever the
consequences. But what if it was NOT true? Should it then continue to
be circulated never-the-less? We believe not!
It should be noted that there have been several versions of the story
circulating. One version, which was circulating in March and April of
2000, began with an ‘Extract’:
‘Myanmar: Buddhist monk raised from the dead - 300 monks turn to
Jesus. “In 1998, a Buddhist monk died. A few days later, his funeral
was held, at which he was to be cremated. From the smell, it was
obvious that his body had started to decompose - he was very clearly
dead!” according to the report from missions agency Asian Minorities
Outreach. “We have attempted to verify this report which reached us
from a number of sources, and are now convinced that it is accurate,”
they write.
Hundreds of monks and relatives of the dead man attended the funeral.
Just as the body was about to be burned, the dead monk suddenly sat
up, shouting ‘It’s a lie! I saw our ancestors burning and being
tortured in some sort of fire. I also saw Buddha and many other
Buddhist holy men. They were all in a sea of fire!’ ‘We must listen to
the Christians,’ he continued emphatically, ‘they’re the only ones who
know the truth!Â’
The events shocked the whole region. Over 300 monks became Christians
and started to study the Bible. The resurrected man continued to warn
everyone to believe in Jesus, because he is the only true God. Tapes
of the monkÂ’s report were distributed throughout Myanmar. The Buddhist
hierarchy and the government were soon alarmed, and they arrested the
monk. He has not been seen since and it is feared that he was killed
to keep him silent. It is now a serious crime to listen to the tapes,
because the government wants to dampen the sensation.Â’
On Sunday 19th November 2000, CCG MinistriesÂ’ Director, Adrian van
Leen, interviewed and spoke with a man who claimed to be the
‘resurrected’ Paul in a hotel function room in Yangon in the company
of four Myanmar Christian leaders.
That interview raised serious questions as to the authenticity of the
story under consideration. -
Our detailed review of the interview with the man claiming to be Paul,
the ‘resurrected’ monk, was published as a report, sent to Asia
Harvest, and placed on our website. After emailing a copy of the
report, we also sent a ‘hard’ copy of the TACL containing the printed
article, to Asia Harvest. In the latter part of 2003 we received the
following email from Asia Harvest:
Greetings!
IÂ’m sure you will remember our communications a year or two back
regarding the story of the Buddhist monk in Myanmar who came back to
life. We were the ones who first had his testimony translated and
published on our website.
Then you travelled to Myanmar and met with a man regarding this story.
Your graphic report of that interview, his seemingly unstable mind and
completely inconsistent testimony left us with no option but to
withdraw the story from our website and offer our deep apologies. The
last thing we want to do is discredit the name of our Lord Jesus by
publishing any story that is untrue. I wrote to you of our intentions
and you accurately reported,
[After Asia Harvest received a copy of this report they removed all
references to the story from their website and stopped sending out
email transcripts of the claimed resurrection account. They will be
making some statement regarding their initial endorsement of the
story. When this is available we will gladly append it to this
report.]
However, when we received your magazine article which carried a
picture of the man you interviewed, we showed it to two Burmese
pastors who met the original “Paul” in Myanmar and they immediately
said this was the wrong man! Later a missionary who lives here in
Thailand but who works in Myanmar also said the man you interviewed
looks nothing like the monk, being much younger.
More information since has revealed that there are actually three or
four different people in Myanmar who claim they were monks who rose
from the dead! Our contacts in Yangon (Rangoon) say that two of these
are completely untrustworthy men, with little evidence of a genuine
conversion to Christ. One of these is the young man you interviewed.
No wonder his birth-date and other key facts were different from the
testimony we published - it was not the same person! It almost seems
that Satan sent along these counterfeits with false testimonies and a
poor witness in order to discredit the original testimony.
Can we absolutely guarantee the story we published is true - of
course not. Only God and the person involved can know what happened in
such a story. We stated this when we first released the transcript of
his testimony. But as far as can be verified, we have yet to be
convinced that this testimony is false. We have been told it now seems
likely that the monk Paul was killed. He was in hiding for more than
12 months and has not been heard of since. Another ex-monk who lives
in Shan State, who also converted to Christ through miraculous
circumstances is also being hunted by the authorities in a bid to
silence him.
In the interests of fairness, would you be willing to publish our
comments in this email with the story that is on your website?
God bless you,
Asia Harvest -
Unfortunately, this update from Asia Harvest still fails to answer
many of the questions and issues CCG Ministries raised in our report
initially.
Our report had already acknowledged that there were several people in
Myanmar (Burma) claiming to be the ‘resurrected’ monk: Further
complications have arisen with this whole saga. According to the
beliefs of some people in Myanmar (or some with friends and/or
relatives in Myanmar), several different people supposedly, or
apparently, are claiming to be the resurrected Buddhist monk - at
least an older man and a not-so-balanced young man.
Even if we completely remove the questionable ‘Paul’ interviewed by
CCG MinistriesÂ’ Director and several Myanmar Pastors, we are still
left with serious questions about the whole story anyway. These were
made clear in our 2001 report and remain unanswered by the recent
comments from Asia harvest.
Apart from the contradictions made by [the suspect] Paul in front of
witnesses, there are still serious questions about the content of his
[the ‘original ‘Paul’] supposed visions or visit to hell and heaven,
as well as questions about editorial comments made by Asian Minorities
Outreach/Asia Harvest.
AMO/Asia Harvest has made statements about Paul being radically
transformed and having a 180-degree shift in his life, and him
continuing to be a fearless witness for Christ, of him being
persecuted, scorned by family, friends and colleagues, and facing
death for his unwillingness to compromise. But some Myanmar Christian
leaders have asked (as we do also) on what do they base this, apart
from his say so [or the say-so of unnamed pastors whose comments seem
in clear conflict with that of the majority of pastors – especially
from known established churches and denominations]? What evidence do
they have?
Statements that [the ‘original’] Paul had been arrested and
imprisoned - probably several times, not seen since, and that it was
feared that he had been killed to keep him silent - are all highly
emotive. While claims of imprisonment in such a situation are
plausible and even probable, they remain unsubstantiated.
AMO/Asia Harvest has stated that the story was first told them by
several Burmese church leaders, and that since being initially told
they ‘have attempted to verify this report which reached us from a
number of sources, and are now convinced that it is accurate.Â’ IMPACT
Magazine reported that a spokesman for AMO/Asia Harvest stated: ‘We
believe it to be true as there are many witnesses to these events.Â’
CCG MinistriesÂ’ Director, Adrian van Leen, before, especially during,
and after his visit to Myanmar in November 2000, [and subsequent
visits in 2001 and 2002] has spoken to a number of [numerous] Myanmar
Christian leaders - including a number who are involved in
inter-church/inter-denominational work, as well as leaders of several
denominations. He spoke with leaders from Yangon and across Myanmar
who attended a conference in Bago, and also Christian leaders in
Mandalay and a regional township. Many of these leaders from across
varying denominations had contact with other Christian leaders across
the country.
No one was able to give ANY form of authentication to the story. A
number of leaders, including those who had been in Christian
leadership in Mandalay, knew of no evidence to confirm any part of the
story. Some of the Myanmar Christian leaders would very much like to
know who the ‘several Burmese church leaders’ are that AMO/Asia
Harvest refers to as their sources for this story.
In fact, it was pointed out very clearly that, had the story been
true, especially had there been a number of Buddhist monks converted
to Christianity - especially as many as 300 and very much so if there
were as many as 7,000 - the news would have spread rapidly. While the
government-controlled media might have tried to suppress such news -
the Christians and churches (particularly in the Mandalay area) would
not have been able - nor have wanted to - suppress such news. It would
have spread rapidly and widely through the churches. The Buddhist
community would also have spread the story - though for different
reasons.
The claim that Â’there are many witnesses to these eventsÂ’ is also
disputed by Myanmar Christian leaders, who have stated that they had
never met anyone who had been a direct primary witness - nor anyone
who had personally met a direct witness to these eventsÂ… The reality
is that in Myanmar itself no one has been able to find any witnesses
or any evidence whatever, to support the story of the resurrected
Paul.
It was also pointed out that [the ‘original’] Paul’s claim to have
seen Aung San, the revolutionary leader of Myanmar (father of current
opposition leader, Aung San Suu Kyi) in hell ‘because he persecuted
and killed Christians, but mostly because he didnÂ’t believe in Jesus
ChristÂ’ was completely without foundation. He is a well known figure
in Burmese/Myanmar thinking and history - and there is no evidence at
all that he persecuted any Christians, let alone killed any.
AMO/Asia Harvest has invited ‘Christian believers to judge it [Paul’s
resurrection story] according to Scripture.Â’
As one senior Myanmar pastor pointed out, the story and description
of hell given by Paul, is itself contrary to Scripture. PaulÂ’s story
is also in conflict with the story Jesus told in the account of the
rich man and the beggar, Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). When carefully
examined it is also in conflict with the comments of the Apostle Paul
in 1 Corinthians 15 - in particular where that Paul was able to name
eye witnesses to the resurrection of Christ - and acknowledged at the
time that some were still living - in other words, he was able to
produce witnesses who could testify to the authenticity of his claims.
Pastors in Myanmar are still asking for real evidence and living
witnesses to the claimed miracle with whom they can discuss and verify
the story. So far, the storyÂ’s authenticity remains with the claims
made by Asia Harvest.
The story of the ‘resurrected Paul’ is known throughout much of
Myanmar - and his tape has circulated (in several versions). Hardly
anyone in Myanmar - especially amongst Christian leaders - has
accepted or believed the story. There is just nothing to back it up.
Far from the ‘resurrected monk’ story providing a ‘fearless and
faithful witness to Jesus Christ, whose testimony is converting
Buddhists, strengthening the church or bringing glory to GodÂ’s nameÂ’,
Myanmar pastor have told our Director that it has brought fear and
suspicion to many Christians in the country. We concluded our 2001
report with the comment: Whatever the truth behind this sad saga,
most Christians, and most pastors and church leaders in Myanmar, are
not taking this story seriously and see little value in it for the
growth of the Christian community in that country.
From the evidence we have been able to examine, including the claims
and content of the story itself, and all the discussions with Pastors
and others in Myanmar, we believe it would have been wiser for the
story not to have been published and circulated.
We believe that ‘miracle stories’ which cannot be adequately
substantiated ought to be treated with caution – especially if those
stories, or significant parts of those stories, do not conform to
Scripture. Lives continue to be changed by the resurrected and living
Jesus Christ – sometimes dramatically, sometimes quietly – the
substance of those changed lives are quiet miracles that are often
clear and undisputed. They continue to honour Christ and encourage
others. -
Well that's okOriginally posted by laurence82:If its purely on some miracle healings and whatnot, i guess that would be good reading for Christians
But the content is inflammatory for some of its anti-religious content
especially this part
"The terrible, terrible lake of fire
The king of hell told me to look into the lake of fire. I looked and I saw the saffron colored robes that Buddhist monks wear in Myanmar. I looked closer and saw the shaven head of a man. When I looked at the man's face I saw it was U Zadila Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw [the famous monk who had died in a car accident in 1983]. I asked the king of hell why my former leader was confined to this lake of torment. I said, "Why is he in this lake of fire? He was a very good teacher. He even had a teaching tape called 'Are You a Man or a Dog?' which had helped thousands of people understand that their worth as humans is far greater than the animals." The king of hell replied, "Yes, he was a good teacher but he did not believe in Jesus Christ. That's why he is in hell."
I was told to look at another person who was in the fire. I saw a man with very long hair wrapped on the left hand side of his head. He was also wearing a robe. I asked the king of hell, "Who is this man?" He replied, "This is the one you worship: Gautama [Buddha]." I was very disturbed to see Gautama in hell. I protested, "Gautama had good ethnics and good moral character, why is he suffering in this lake of fire?" The king of hell answered me, "It doesn't matter how good he was. He is in this place because he did not believe in the Eternal God."
Thanks Diehard for posting this too.. at least gave me an opportunity to debunk this article (anyway I have long knew about this article)
LOTS of forwarded emails I receive especially those that ask you to forward to others (99%) are really just loads of crap.. don't you agree -
thanks for boosting up the ratings guys...
but since it's debunked, it should be closed.....
my only comment: I'd wish for people to verify their links before broadcasting them. -
eternal answers it all liao.Originally posted by laurence82:so, what u think? why leh?
personally, before his replies, i don't know la. im not a buddhist nor christian expert to determine true or not, but definitely interesting. -
So we see the views from both sides liao. You all read and decide.
I will close it to prevent any misunderstanding coming from any discussions.