Christians should marry to christians?
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Hahaha look who's the stalker!
Ya fully oiled up someone point me to a slide LOLOriginally posted by sillyme:It's like that one, we want what we want mah
You marinated in oil already? -
u still squeaking lehOriginally posted by choco B:Hahaha look who's the stalker!
Ya fully oiled up someone point me to a slide LOL -
Yes different but they are linked.Originally posted by laurence82:no leh
befriend and marrying are two issues mah
what if cannot marry but can befriend?
Think my friend.
It may not be all fellow christians should only befriend christians and not befriend non-christians. It may not be fellow christians who befriend non-christians must marry them. So it may not be only christians should marry christians.
Such thinking only create more limitations.
Love is never logical in a sense.
Why applied such terms in finding your partner in life?
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they are linked, but i think topicstarter focusing on marriage onlyOriginally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:Yes different but they are linked.
Think my friend.
It may not be all fellow christians should only befriend christians and not befriend non-christians. It may not be fellow christians who befriend non-christians must marry them. So it may not be only christians should marry christians.
Such thinking only create more limitations.
Love is never logical in a sense.
Why applied such terms in finding your partner in life?
Just my point of view.
why complicate topic
i am suffering from altitude sickness liao -
Did I say cannot be friends?Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:Your social circle must be limited if you have such thinking.
Befriending come from the heart, does not matter whether you are of same religion, race or anything else.
When you are concern over anything else, you will have limited friends.
Limited choices when it comes to finding a partner or even marriage.
Do you understand what is everything start from friend?
I do not think all your friends would want to marry you.
Maybe i am too slow to understand your humour but it is a good try.
what I am trying to point to you is that, your question is bordering into OOT, the Threadstarter is talking about marriage, not just befriending so simple
if its just the question is about befriending, there is no problem, but this is not what the threadstarter is interested about. what is being asked is about christian marrying a non-christian, and this brought out a whole new set of questions like
Can two person with differing and even conflicting ideals live together as husband and wife?
Will their love be great enough for one of them to give up his/her ideals for the other? or both also give up?
....etc
all these issues and questions need to be addressed if marriage is to occur, while if its just befriending, there is no need to address them.
*** anyway, you may want to go to the previous thread and look at the discussion there... no point for me to repeat them here. -
Complicate?Originally posted by laurence82:they are linked, but i think topicstarter focusing on marriage only
why complicate topic
i am suffering from altitude sickness liao
Focusing but it is more like this topic is confusing.
I think i never come across such statement in bible.
Must be peer pressure from cell group.
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so is it about existence of such statement from bible or about befriending?Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:Complicate?
Focusing but it is more like this topic is confusing.
I think i never come across such statement in bible.
Must be peer pressure from cell group.
Just sharing my view as you share yours.
lagi worse liaoz -
Why so worked up?Originally posted by vince69:Did I say cannot be friends?
what I am trying to point to you is that, your question is bordering into OOT, the Threadstarter is talking about marriage, not just befriending so simple
if its just the question is about befriending, there is no problem, but this is not what the threadstarter is interested about. what is being asked is about christian marrying a non-christian, and this brought out a whole new set of questions like
Can two person with differing and even conflicting ideals live together as husband and wife?
Will their love be great enough for one of them to give up his/her ideals for the other? or both also give up?
....etc
all these issues and questions need to be addressed if marriage is to occur, while if its just befriending, there is no need to address them.
*** anyway, you may want to go to the previous thread and look at the discussion there... no point for me to repeat them here.
When did i ask you to marry all your friends?
Since you made assumption.
So i follow suit with what your words implied.
Since no point no need to repeat.
Your ideal may not be mine or other's ideal that goes the same for your perception.
My bad since you not here to share you daily bread with others. -
You cannot marry to a non-believer means you cannot make friends with a non-believer?Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:I touched on befriending.
Can you marry a stranger?
Every relationship or marriage start form the basic of being a friend.
I dont want to get into an accident so i dont want to go out? -
That is what the topicstarter focusing on and seeking through this thread.Originally posted by laurence82:so is it about existence of such statement from bible or about befriending?
lagi worse liaoz -
bye bye all
wa ki si liao
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Possibilities are unlimited.Originally posted by davidche:You cannot marry to a non-believer means you cannot make friends with a non-believer?
I dont want to get into an accident so i dont want to go out?
You can have accident even if you don't go out.
So why put limitation on everything? -
Bye.Originally posted by laurence82:bye bye all
wa ki si liao
Have a nice day. -
Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:Why so worked up?
-- I am not work up
When did i ask you to marry all your friends?
-- I am just stating that being friends not means must marry
Since you made assumption.
-- ok sorry, I am assuming you means not able to marry = not able to be friends
So i follow suit with what your words implied.
-- nevermind
Since no point no need to repeat.
Your ideal may not be mine or other's ideal that goes the same for your perception.
My bad since you not here to share you daily bread with others.
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Let's go chat at EH Chill Lounge II.
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I am so
about this issue
my Christian female friend who actually likes me rejected me cos we got different faiths
or else we could have continued but reality kills 
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Ha ha ha. Never read properly.Originally posted by -[0]-:
What a dumb thread.
Christians and non-christians are humans what... why you think they all can't befriend each other?
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Just for your reference only - 2 Corinthians 6:14Originally posted by blowfish:Bible got state meh?
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application of verse questionable.
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because no one has had a accurate verse to prove their stand on this. it is impossible for you, honeymouse to do it.Originally posted by M©+square:application of verse questionable.
or it is wrong for christians to be superior, therefore there must be something a wrong application or interpretaion of the verse.
Lets see whats the meaning of 'yoked' -
Do you in the first place agree that the verse in 2 Cor supports this doctrine?Originally posted by davidche:because no one has had a accurate verse to prove their stand on this. it is impossible for you, honeymouse to do it. -
i have one question: how well accurately tallying with the situation, a verse, to be considered having the correct application?Originally posted by M©+square:Do you in the first place agree that the verse in 2 Cor supports this doctrine?
if we view it literally from the verse, of the amplified bible: we are not supposed to have the same 'view'/'vision' with non-believers as we have different religious values. -
How come ah, in nearly over two pages of replies we haven't even really started on the true topic at hand and are instead, making many words about concepts we were already clear to begin with such as befriending?
Anyway I will try not to add it, but to give my take on the issue... it all boils down to ideas and convictions. Of course the question of if Christian can marry a non-Christian is dependent on several variables. It seems to me then, at the end of the day is how you prioritize your beliefs in your belief system.
Lets start with the assumption that it is an accepted part of Christian orthodoxy that marrying outside the faith is frowned upon. Let's just start with this and not worry yet about inter-denominational marriages and stuff. Of course if we reject this assumption on grounds that Christian theology has no stand on/allows extra-faith marriages then there is never a question to begin with. But for the sake of an argument, let's assume it says that such marriages are prohibited.
Going by this assumption, it would mean that a Christian marrying a non-Christian would be going against his beliefs. Usually the justification/argument raised for this is that True Love can overcome all barriers, even that of faithÂ… hence even God's (in the eyes of the Christian) instructions are subject to it.
However it seems to me that this argument often rests solely on the idea that True Love is a concept that is separate and distinct from the Truth as Christianity sees itÂ… but unfortunately this is not the Christian view on what True Love is. True Love and Christianity are rather inseparable concepts, and usually a flaw of logic is at work when one claims that the other must triumph over the next.
Of course I stated that not to sound pompous, but however to point out that in the world view of the Christian, True Love only makes sense, and has any real meaning to the Christian when it is viewed and understood in the way through the Christian world view. This is hardly to say that people of different beliefs do not understand True Love, but the idea is that it would be extremely imprecise for a Christian to even think that this thing called "True Love" ought to triumph his faith, for it cannotÂ… it is his faith.
Of course somebody might point out that if the Christian Faith is True Love, why then this restriction? I might have also to point that this is an incomplete viewÂ… it seems to be the crux of Christian Love is indeed to overcome many kinds of barriers in faith and understanding. Christians are supposed to exceedingly love people of different faiths, walks of live and convictions just like the way Jesus did. However our idea of love has often been restricted to that of the notion of "romance", which is hardly even what True Love is about most of the time.
The restriction on not marrying non-Christians I believe, comes not from a separatist intention (though it can often be hijacked to be that way), but rather as a guideline to protect both Christians and non-Christians from the dangers of defective love, rather then the excess of it.
It may be a buzzkill for some people, but it seems to me that sometimes a Christian girl (I use "girl" here because it is guys who frequently make this compliant) might love a non-Christian guy more by being his friend then actually being his girlfriend. And it is because she loves him so that she resolutely refuses to get into a relationship with him, for that would destroy her justification of her love as one that comes from a heart never able to love until the creator showed her how to one that which is more ambiguous and based on shifty logic on how "true" love can overcome allÂ… but that isn't the real True Love.
Personally it seems to me that if a girl makes Christianity a big part of who she is, as the justification of her being and identity, wanting her to trump or bend who she truly is simply to be with me deducts from who she really is. It may be that many of the attractive things I see in her were born of her faith, and to ask her to suppress her faith to join me would be putting cutting a rose from the stem or taking the pot indoors where there is no sunlight. It looks nice for a while, but it will wilt in the end.
It seems to me thatÂ… if she's really such a great personÂ… I wonder what makes her so greatÂ… and why so that might be more useful to find out. I don't think we can "get" ladies as if they were prosperities we might find a way into if we knew the right thing to say and the right thing to do. Granted, courtship involves a large part of doing extraordinary thingsÂ… but it must be true to who she isÂ… especially if she treats Christianity as more then just a mere legality or paperwork with rules to find loopholes in. -
You have to consider in context, and weight of the verse.Originally posted by davidche:i have one question: how well accurately tallying with the situation, a verse, to be considered having the correct application?
if we view it literally from the verse, of the amplified bible: we are not supposed to have the same 'view'/'vision' with non-believers as we have different religious values.
If the verse is in question, it is worth to dig deeper in historical settings and the whys; Apostle Paul have addressed this issue in such heavy statements.
The literal meaning is correct, it is important to find out why and what happened, before quoting the verse just simply because 'the bible says so'
What i'm saying is, it's not wrong to interprete the verse literally. BUT, it is also not right to literally present to another person of passages which you're unclear about.
There are certain passages need to be studied carefully before concluding.
You may wish to re-read what Ironside what typed for you regarding about the bible.
I notice your memory always fail you.
Let me help, for the last few times.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=218342&page=2Originally posted by Ironside:Dave, can i give you the standard dispensational principle when studying or reading the Bible?
This is really an elementary principle to others [especially thoroughgoing dispensational students of the Bible] but here it is anyway:
While all the Bible was written FOR you, it was not all written TO you, nor was it all written ABOUT you.
1) It was all written for you. From the Bible we glean principles, instuctions, correction, training for righteousness and etc.
From the OT we can glean principles and examples of others. We can learn from their mistakes, their exemplary life and etc. Certainly the command to build an ark was not given to you. it was for Noah. But can we glean principles from it? Certainly.
For example: The position of the majority is not always right. Noah heeded God's voice than heeding the voice of the unbelieving world. May we follow Noah's example. No, not the building of the ark [LOL]......i mean the principle.
In the NT we can glean direct commands for a Christian.
pray always. stand fast in the faith. Grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and etc.
2) It was not all written to you. Scripture divides the world into three major peoples [though there maybe other divisions but these are the major distinct divisions that leap out of the pages of the Bible]
a)Gentiles b) Israel and c) the Church of God.
You can see that in Romans. First he addresses the case of the Gentiles mostly chapter one starting from verse 18. Then he addresses the Jews or Israelites from chapter 2:17. Then the book as a whole was intended for the Church of God in Rome and to all the churches throughout all the Churh Age till the Lord Raptures His Church.
These three sets of people God has a special plan. There were directives given to Israel like there were directives given to the Church. Some directives of Israel were given to the Church as well. But this doesn't mean that the Church is Isreal.
It was not all written about you. This is self explanatory. There are things there written about you as a sinner, about you as a redeemed sinner [if you have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation], about you as a member of the Church of God and etc. But there are also things written there not about you.
P.s. do not confuse Israel with the Church or mix the two. you will be hopelessly confused. Skeptics who often find "contradictions" in the Bible often fail to distinguish the two. -
My whole intention of quoting the verse is answering the TS' question....Originally posted by davidche:because no one has had a accurate verse to prove their stand on this. it is impossible for you, honeymouse to do it.
or it is wrong for christians to be superior, therefore there must be something a wrong application or interpretaion of the verse.
Lets see whats the meaning of 'yoked'
Marriage is a partnership similar to running a business with a business partner. The married couple/business partner need to share the same basic values and views to make the marriage/business work.
For example you are running a business with another business partner. You believe in ethics and integrity but your business partner believes the opposite but just making profit. Because of the different values, there will be many conflicts between you and your business partner and as a result the whole business will probably fall apart.
So this is the way I interpret the verse.... it's not talking about the superiority of oneself but it's about sharing the same values in a partnership to minimise conflict. Please note I mentioned partnership (in marriage) here as it is not the same as friends you're generally hang around.
Hope that clarifies my view on this.