Why Do God Have To Create (The Devil - Satan) and humans
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How could God create something bad when He said "it was very good" at the end of creation?Originally posted by davidche:I know i know, Satan's theory is like human's theory.
God created something good, then it turned bad.
What im saying is since it is such, it is undeniable that God indirectly created something bad. right?
Let's say the bad was created before that .. are you comfortable with it? God is the embodiment of goodness .. how could He even create something bad indirectly? -
you are assuming the bible is correct...Originally posted by Icemoon:How could God create something bad when He said "it was very good" at the end of creation?
Let's say the bad was created before that .. are you comfortable with it? God is the embodiment of goodness .. how could He even create something bad indirectly?
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Can we come to a conclusion whether what God indirectly created is bad?
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THE BIBLE IS WRONG?!Originally posted by davidche:you are assuming the bible is correct... ......
Can we come to a conclusion whether what God created is bad?
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The idea, ''god created good, then the good became bad'' proves the bible"it was very good" to be wrong.Originally posted by Icemoon:THE BIBLE IS WRONG?! -
How can you compare your "idea" with the bible verse?Originally posted by davidche:The idea, ''god created good, then the good became bad'' proves the bible"it was very good" to be wrong.
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tats not mine. That's chin eng's and stephen Tong's and a lot of chirstians' idea, which i oppose or am not enlightened by yet.Originally posted by Icemoon:How can you compare your "idea" with the bible verse? -
Much as I respect them .. I stick with the Jewish interpretation.
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Please do not make sweeping statements like that. Do not speak for others unless you have proof.Originally posted by davidche:tats not mine. That's chin eng's and stephen Tong's and a lot of chirstians' idea, which i oppose or am not enlightened by yet. -
"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree bear good fruit." (Mt. 7:1Originally posted by Icemoon:Note that this is a Christian worldview.
The Jews don't believe in the Satan as devil.
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"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely." (Rev. 22:17)Originally posted by Skibi:I believe that even lucifer knows that God cannot know the future. God can calculate, predict, and even shape the future of those that accept him as God. But not even he(nor lucifer) knows the future of what allegiance mortal man might choose. -
so cheam .. so what are you trying to say?Originally posted by Quest*:"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree bear good fruit." (Mt. 7:1
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DaveOriginally posted by davidche:.
you will need to show prove that this is what they said/implied ... -
Why do you use the shocked smiley???Originally posted by vince69:Dave
you will need to show prove that this is what they said/implied ... 
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follow the exchange between Dave and Icey... the statement from Dave is implying someone saying the Bible is wrong. hence theOriginally posted by M©+square:Why do you use the shocked smiley??? shock... -
I also shocked by his reply.Originally posted by vince69:follow the exchange between Dave and Icey... the statement from Dave is implying unker Eng saying the Bible is wrong. hence the shock... -
Originally posted by vince69:follow the exchange between Dave and Icey... the statement from Dave is implying unker Eng saying the Bible is wrong. hence the shock...
i am not trying to be against Unker chin. A lot of people uses this theory. But so far i dont understand why does creating indrectly, a bad creation counts as something good.
They say that God created something good. Too bad the creation(including humans and satan) falls, out of his wrong choices through his free will. We know that the end result is bad.
This contridicts with genesis" It was very good"
is there any suitable theory or analogy that can enlighten me?
Alternatively, This is what i presently think. God's creations IS good. Then what about satan and his fall to become the bad satan? Well, they were also created for the sake of good. Thus, ''it was good."
Note that it doesnt include evil. Ironside says that the orgin of evil isnt mentioned in the bible.
How is it created for the sake of good? Well if there isnt bad, an opposite force of good, would there be free will, where choices comes in? -
Dave,Originally posted by davidche:
a lot of people uses this theory, does not means you can anyhow grab one name and say he also use this theory, right?
therefore, please do not put a person's name in, unless you can prove that he too had said/implied it. in this case, if he had not says this about the Bible/God, please don't put his name here and said he does.
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indeed very not understandable.Originally posted by Icemoon:so cheam .. so what are you trying to say? 
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"An Apple tree cannot bear Orange fruit, nor an Orange tree bear Apple fruit."Originally posted by Icemoon:so cheam .. so what are you trying to say? -
lets just wait for him to reply.Originally posted by vince69:Dave,
a lot of people uses this theory, does not means you can anyhow grab one name and say he also use this theory, right?
therefore, please do not put a person's name in, unless you can prove that he too had said/implied it. -
wait he scold you again.Originally posted by davidche:lets just wait for him to reply. -
Originally posted by Quest*:
Can I have rambutans please?
"An [b]Apple tree cannot bear Orange fruit, nor an Orange tree bear Apple fruit."
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But the origin of evil is implied in the bible. Read John 1:3 again.Originally posted by davidche:Note that it doesnt include evil. Ironside says that the orgin of evil isnt mentioned in the bible.
Unless you want to argue the evil has no origin. In that case .. it is god liao. Only God and His intrinisic attributes are not created. -
how do you think he is going to reply you? you had just bordering on accusing him on something he may not have done. try putting yourself in others shoes and you will understand why what you had just done is not right.Originally posted by davidche:lets just wait for him to reply.
anyway, you will know when unker comes in. -
let's give dave a chance.