Answers to Your Questions...
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The paradox of truthOriginally posted by vince69:Icey is refering to the answer most people will give to this question
then again, like I said earlier,
We thought we know the answer, but are we sure that this answer we had is the correct answer? heck, different people have different answer anyway...
Is truth the truth or the truth we all think it is?
Sigh
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ah,Originally posted by laurence82:The paradox of truth
Is truth the truth or the truth we all think it is?
Sigh
the Truth will always be the Truth, but what we wanted to think it is, may not be what it really is. -
Some things you must believe to your grave you know?Originally posted by vince69:Icey is refering to the answer most people will give to this question
then again, like I said earlier,
We thought we know the answer, but are we sure that this answer we had is the correct answer? heck, different people have different answer anyway...
Like God is eternally self existing.
Like Christ's saving grace.
Like your own salvation. -
But the truth, as long as a human voice say it is, can be the Truth?Originally posted by vince69:ah,
the Truth will always be the Truth, but what we wanted to think it is, may not be what it really is. -
And you forgot the author is giving biblical answers .. not any answer you shout out in a tutorial class to gain participation points.Originally posted by vince69:Icey is refering to the answer most people will give to this question
then again, like I said earlier,
We thought we know the answer, but are we sure that this answer we had is the correct answer? heck, different people have different answer anyway... -
I dont know what we are trying to argue here.
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ok.... I think we need to approach this from the standpoint of what we (each one of us) would do if we are trying to start a FAQ of our faith. We will be asking ourselves: what kind of questions would be asked and what kind of questions will be interesting.Originally posted by Icemoon:No one created God. And we all have the answer, not only God.
In terms of the validity of the question, I believe it had been asked many times here in EH, and the range of answers varied from God is the supreme being to God is not the supreme being.
The fact that most of us agree with the "standard answer" does not necessarily mean that everyone agrees with this answer.
Doctrinally speaking, I don't think sankaran's answers are wrong. -
yes, but he is not giving the answer to you specifically. I don't think we can judge the page (and the question) based on the more refined knowledge of those who are here. I also don't think sankaran is trying to engage anyone in a very high level intellectual discussion.Originally posted by Icemoon:And you forgot the author is giving biblical answers .. not any answer you shout out in a tutorial class to gain participation points. -
You don't have to agree .. but the answer should be biblical.Originally posted by Chin Eng:In terms of the validity of the question, I believe it had been asked many times here in EH, and the range of answers varied from God is the supreme being to God is not the supreme being.
The fact that most of us agree with the "standard answer" does not necessarily mean that everyone agrees with this answer.
Doctrinally speaking, I don't think sankaran's answers are wrong.
So now only God knows the answer to the question .. is this true? Did not the Bible reveal to us the nature of God? -
There is no argument. I think it's a nice discussion.
Come to think of it. From a Christian perspective, what constitutes a "right answer"? Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will reveal the Truth to us. Therefore there must be some answers we already know.
Personally I think the following must be valid,
- it must be biblical
- it must be in-chorus with the whole Body of Christ, i.e. the Church
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It is not about high or low level.Originally posted by Chin Eng:yes, but he is not giving the answer to you specifically. I don't think we can judge the page (and the question) based on the more refined knowledge of those who are here. I also don't think sankaran is trying to engage anyone in a very high level intellectual discussion.
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so the arguements is whether the author's answers are wrong??Originally posted by Chin Eng:ok.... I think we need to approach this from the standpoint of what we (each one of us) would do if we are trying to start a FAQ of our faith. We will be asking ourselves: what kind of questions would be asked and what kind of questions will be interesting.
In terms of the validity of the question, I believe it had been asked many times here in EH, and the range of answers varied from God is the supreme being to God is not the supreme being.
The fact that most of us agree with the "standard answer" does not necessarily mean that everyone agrees with this answer.
Doctrinally speaking, I don't think sankaran's answers are wrong. -
... and that would be: God is the alpha and omega???? the beginning and the end???Originally posted by Icemoon:You don't have to agree .. but the answer should be biblical.
So now only God knows the answer to the question .. is this true? Did not the Bible reveal to us the nature of God?
ok, then let me rephrase the question: what happened in the beginning? because in the context of those phrases, there is a beginning. -
It must be logical.Originally posted by sillyme:There is no argument. I think it's a nice discussion.
Come to think of it. From a Christian perspective, what constitutes a "right answer"? Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will reveal the Truth to us. Therefore there must be some answers we already know.
Personally I think the following must be valid,
- it must be biblical
- it must be in-chorus with the whole Body of Christ, i.e. the Church
What else do you think should be critical?
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In the beginning was the Word.Originally posted by Chin Eng:... and that would be: God is the alpha and omega???? the beginning and the end???
ok, then let me rephrase the question: what happened in the beginning? because in the context of those phrases, there is a beginning.
Do you mean to tell me the Word was created?
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The author claimed he does not have the answer liao.Originally posted by davidche:so the arguements is whether the author's answers are wrong??
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So what happened in the beginning?Originally posted by Icemoon:In the beginning was the Word.
Do you mean to tell me the Word was created? 
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Which beginning?Originally posted by Chin Eng:So what happened in the beginning?
Tai chu or qi chu?
dave .. are you here? -
let me complete the verse for youOriginally posted by Icemoon:In the beginning was the Word.
Do you mean to tell me the Word was created?
John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -
God is beyond our human reasoning; He is also above what we, humans, can experience.Originally posted by Icemoon:It must be logical.
If God says He cannot lie .. then He cannot lie.
But I personally think that all the truths that He choose to reveal to us, it should be logical or at least understandable. -
So who created the Word?Originally posted by vince69:let me complete the verse for you
John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Luckily we are made in the image of Him. So there must be something in Him which is in us also.Originally posted by sillyme:God is beyond our human reasoning; He is also above what we, humans, can experience.
But I personally think that all the truths that He choose to reveal to us, it should be logical or at least understandable.
Christians and Jews agree that God is way beyond our human understanding. So how do we understand Him? Their solution differ.
Christians "invent" the Trinity.
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in my vague memories....Originally posted by Icemoon:Which beginning?
Tai chu or qi chu?
dave .. are you here?
tai4 chu1 is at the start of time.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
qi3 chu1 is at the beginning.(Genesis
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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you very jewish hor?Originally posted by Icemoon:Luckily we are made in the image of Him. So there must be something in Him which is in us also.
Christians and Jews agree that God is way beyond our human understanding. So how do we understand Him? Their solution differ.
Christians "invent" the Trinity.
Jews "invent" the Ten Sefiroths. -
"men is created in the image of God"Originally posted by Icemoon:So who created the Word?
This statement certainly doesnt imply any phsycal likeness to God. Scripture teaches that God is a spirit and doesnt have physical parts like a man(John 4:24) The bible uses anthropomorphic expressions, such as"the hand of God" only to accommodate our human incapacity to think in any other terms. The strong prohibitation against man's representing God by graven image was given becauseno one had ever seen God; therefore, no one could know wad he looks like. Nothing on earth can represent his spirit(deut 4:15-23)
The image of God in man has to do, rather, with personality. According to D.M. edwards, ""Man has a free, self consious, rational personality like that of God. A nature, capable of distinguishing right and wrong, and of ascending to the hights of spiritual attainment and communication with God""
The feeling qualities of feeling, sorrow, communicateing and desire for relationship are part of His personality
--The original man was intelligent. he could give names to all the animals when they were presented to him(gen2:19-20). He had the power of reasoning and thought, as displayed by SIS. In speaking, he could connect words and ideas. he could and did commune with God.
--Moral and spiritual qualities differenciated humankind from all other creatures. God's image gave then an awareness, a sense of right and wrong(gen. 3)This 'knowing' from God means that God's people love love and hate evil and differenciate between the two options. This is not an optional software! the new testament calls this 'conscience'.
--Individual seperateness distinguishes the God and mankind from each other-each beinghis own person. All people are endowed with God's image and seperate form all other ppl. Obviously,I am not you and you r not me and neither of us is God.
The significance of this seperatenessis that it clarifies our understanding of God as an approchable individual. He is not an amorphous blob, a genie, a pgost, or even 'the force'. We can communicate person-to-person and understand each other.