First Female Bishop Is A Compassionate Liberal
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i help u pan out your academic path from my bias perpectiveOriginally posted by Icemoon:Wah .. then I forever never graduate.
Time in Catholic bible college + time in Protestant bible college + time in Jewish bible college.
I wonder whether they let me do my industrial attachment in the Vatican.
Bachelor in Theology (Protestant) (Hon)
Master in Judaism
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I wonder if there are any books on Church History from the Catholic point of view (I have a few from the Protestant POV),... maybe its time I go back to the bookshop at St. Peter and St. Paul to have a look...Originally posted by ben1xy:oh, i always thought that at least they would talk about the reformation period or maybe the crusades or inquisition (they can attack Catholics with this
). I see history as being very important. it shapes theology and the church itself. the impact that history has on the evolution of our faith must never be understated. it helps depict a clearer picture and let us understand what went wrong where our differences lie.
but i'm sure pastors going through theology school would have to take up modules on that right? i wonder how neutral the material are? do they all turn out to be like Loraine Boettner's book that was so bias? -
he can get married like that. hahaa. those anglican pastors are allowed to be priests when they convert even when they are marriedOriginally posted by vince69:then you become Father Rev Rabbi ?
u've found a loophole in the system -
i have a lot of books on thatOriginally posted by vince69:I wonder if there are any books on Church History from the Catholic point of view (I have a few from the Protestant POV),... maybe its time I go back to the bookshop at St. Peter and St. Paul to have a look...
i'm an avid fan of church history esp. the early foundings, crusades and inquisition. it's all at home. i can lend u if u promise to return -
Got talk so much history meh?! Any Protestant can verify this?Originally posted by ben1xy:oh, i always thought that at least they would talk about the reformation period or maybe the crusades or inquisition (they can attack Catholics with this ). I see history as being very important. it shapes theology and the church itself. the impact that history has on the evolution of our faith must never be understated. it helps depict a clearer picture and let us understand what went wrong where our differences lie.
but i'm sure pastors going through theology school would have to take up modules on that right? i wonder how neutral the material are? do they all turn out to be like Loraine Boettner's book that was so bias?
I suspect historical literacy ranks lowest among the classes conducted by the church. Any Protestant wants to dispute this? -
How come no reformation?Originally posted by ben1xy:i have a lot of books on that
i'm an avid fan of church history esp. the early foundings, crusades and inquisition. it's all at home. i can lend u if u promise to return -
I think I will go buy one or two to read cause I cannot guarantee I can return them cleanly by the time I see you...Originally posted by ben1xy:i have a lot of books on that
i'm an avid fan of church history esp. the early foundings, crusades and inquisition. it's all at home. i can lend u if u promise to return -
dunno why .. but my impression is that the Catholic pov. about the Reformation is almost always biased.Originally posted by vince69:I wonder if there are any books on Church History from the Catholic point of view (I have a few from the Protestant POV),... maybe its time I go back to the bookshop at St. Peter and St. Paul to have a look... -
wait your child use them as coloring book then jialat liao.Originally posted by vince69:I think I will go buy one or two to read cause I cannot guarantee I can return them cleanly by the time I see you... -
cannot say all lah... but I think you are close... not many church teach church history much (not to say history of christianity)Originally posted by Icemoon:Got talk so much history meh?! Any Protestant can verify this?
I suspect historical literacy ranks lowest among the classes conducted by the church. Any Protestant wants to dispute this? -
reformation got lah .. even moreOriginally posted by Icemoon:How come no reformation?
hahaa.. but all very bias. so must read from both sides.. then average out
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I read already, then tell you (first must find the book)Originally posted by Icemoon:dunno why .. but my impression is that the Catholic pov. about the Reformation is almost always biased. -
u wait for 1 week. i'll give u a few good titles. Go to wellsprings, they are the biggest Catholic bookshop in S'poreOriginally posted by vince69:I think I will go buy one or two to read cause I cannot guarantee I can return them cleanly by the time I see you... -
this is expected. a book in most cases is a presentation of a POV. even people who claim they are neutral are almost never.Originally posted by Icemoon:dunno why .. but my impression is that the Catholic pov. about the Reformation is almost always biased. -
ok... Icey, Ben... you two be good, me go sleep, tomorrow morning have to wake up early...good night
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why ah?Originally posted by vince69:cannot say all lah... but I think you are close... not many church teach church history much (not to say history of christianity)
i would think that it'd be something that the congregation would find interesting. -
haha. i'm going to nap too. got to go to the city to buy souvenirs tomorrow ... need to spend money againOriginally posted by vince69:ok... Icey, Ben... you two be good, me go sleep, tomorrow morning have to wake up early...good night
*edited due to spelling error and to be in tandem with EH's type good English campaign* -
sorry lor .. they rather hear "by His stripes, you are healed" repeated a million times.Originally posted by ben1xy:why ah?
i would think that it'd be something that the congregation would find interesting.
It is all very therapeutic .. go to church must feel good .. this is most important. -
Same here. Church history is rarely taught. It is briefly covered during new believers class, and sporadically mentioned during some sermons.Originally posted by vince69:cannot say all lah... but I think you are close... not many church teach church history much (not to say history of christianity)
Must gaagi read up one. -
the thing is, the focus normally on Sunday Services is on Practical Preaching or Gospel sharing. so the bulk of the congregation can take home practical stuff that they can apply for their daily living ( I mean we cannot expect the old Aunties/Uncles/non-christians to be sitting in the services and tell them about reformation ...etc right?)Originally posted by ben1xy:why ah?
i would think that it'd be something that the congregation would find interesting.
If Church history ... etc is to be taught, it will be during Bible Study class (which most likely be on Bible Topic) or special teaching classes (which is far in between and rarely done).
btw, Church History is one of the subject in most theological courses here. -
But history need not be taught officially. It can be infused into the Sunday Service.Originally posted by vince69:the thing is, the focus normally on Sunday Services is on Practical Preaching or Gospel sharing. so the bulk of the congregation can take home practical stuff that they can apply for their daily living ( I mean we cannot expect the old Aunties/Uncles/non-christians to be sitting in the services and tell them about reformation ...etc right?)
If Church history ... etc is to be taught, it will be during Bible Study class (which most likely be on Bible Topic) or special teaching classes (which is far in between and rarely done).
btw, Church History is one of the subject in most theological courses here.
Surely a sermon talking about Puritian work ethic is also useful for our daily living? Then maybe bring out the works of Richard Baxter. -
Unfortunately no many Sunday school teachers are equipped to teach church history. More so, not many SS teachers are prepared to rock the boat by giving facts, and not some tainted public-relations stories.Originally posted by Icemoon:But history need not be taught officially. It can be infused into the Sunday Service.
Surely a sermon talking about Puritian work ethic is also useful for our daily living? Then maybe bring out the works of Richard Baxter. -
At least Methodist SS teachers should know something about John Wesley's theology.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Unfortunately no many Sunday school teachers are equipped to teach church history. More so, not many SS teachers are prepared to rock the boat by giving facts, and not some tainted public-relations stories. -
not sure about other churches, at least those I have been through, the SS teachers are not theologically trained (at least I know I am not, hee hee)Originally posted by Chin Eng:Unfortunately no many Sunday school teachers are equipped to teach church history. More so, not many SS teachers are prepared to rock the boat by giving facts, and not some tainted public-relations stories. -
Nope, as most, if not all, teachers are volunteers, they do not know much about Wesley's theology.Originally posted by Icemoon:At least Methodist SS teachers should know something about John Wesley's theology.
The ideal is to have all teachers theologically trained. The reality is, as long as they are not too spiritually immature, and willing, they will be roped in as teachers. Most SS follow a fixed syllabus and come with teacher's guide. As long as there is little deviation, then it is considered safe.Originally posted by vince69:not sure about other churches, at least those I have been through, the SS teachers are not theologically trained (at least I know I am not, hee hee)