First Female Bishop Is A Compassionate Liberal
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sounds like Protestant cessationists.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:No more revelation, all that needs to be said has been said. Things such as Marian apparitions are not critical to salvation.
No need for Jesus to change it, the Prots beat Him to it.
Sometimes you really sound like a Prot you know?
Hmm .. maybe I'm hearing the authentic Christian faith.
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don't get it?Originally posted by laurence82:its like saying christianity got nuthing against homosexuals, or for the matter of fact, against heretics, or thingsl ike anti-Catholicism or anti-CHC etc wont happen
your question:
my responseOriginally posted by laurence82:Can you be a gay and also a Christian?
in short, If this person, be he/she is gay or straight, sincerely wanted to be a christian (assuming he/she knows what it means to be a christian).
If one is sincere about his/her repentence and wanted to receive Christ, should/could any christian prevent him/her from doing so?
since we contribute nothing to his/her salvation (its all Christ), can anyone of us says he/she is not a christian? I don't think anyone can. -
issit possible for a Christian to believe homosexuality is not a weakness and is perfectly natural .. and still get the conviction and strength from the Holy Spirit?Originally posted by vince69:If there is any changes needed in the lifestyle, and free from bondage, and strengthening of weakness ...etc, the Holy Spirit can do a much better job then any one of us can ever dream of. 
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so why they still do it, and preach against them?Originally posted by vince69:can anyone of us says he/she is not a christian? I don't think anyone can. -
against the person? or the lifestyle choice/preference?Originally posted by laurence82:so why they still do it, and preach against them? -
homosexual (a person) or homosexuality (a way of living) ?Originally posted by Icemoon:issit possible for a Christian to believe homosexuality is not a weakness and is perfectly natural .. and still get the conviction and strength from the Holy Spirit? -
a homosexual practising homosexuality.Originally posted by vince69:homosexual (a person) or homosexuality (a way of living) ? -
Originally posted by laurence82:so why they still do it, and preach against them?
*pls note that we are starting to go off topic.against the person? or the lifestyle choice/preference?[/quote]
[quote]Originally posted by Icemoon:a homosexual practising homosexuality.
this topic on Gays/Christianity had been discussed for a long time, and quite often here in EH (I am sure we had been through them before)
Do we preach against homosexual as a person? no, I don't so, at least I don't approve of it personally (but I cannot speak for others, for I have no control over them)
Do I agree with Homosexuality as a lifestyle? (note: I call this a lifestyle, cause I believe that everyone have a choice on how they each want to live their own lives, being born in a certain way does not means one have to resign to their fate)
No, I do not agree with this lifestyle, having say this, does not means I have to right to condemn those who does, of course not. I realised that there are there are teaching that says, the act of same gender sex is a sin, which is a biblical statement (think these was quoted many times on this subject), but then the one who judge is God, not me.
ok..
can a Gay become a christian? yes
should we preach against Gays? no
Is there Homosexuals who after becoming christian continue to live in homosexuality lifestyle? yes, probably, though some managed to break out of it.
Will God still accepts them if they continue to live in this manner? you will need to ask God, I am not God, cannot answer on His behalf. -
Bleah.Originally posted by Icemoon:sounds like Protestant cessationists.
Sometimes you really sound like a Prot you know?
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No. Gays and other sexually immoral people cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Logically this would apply to lesbians too.Originally posted by Icemoon:issit possible for a Christian to believe homosexuality is not a weakness and is perfectly natural .. and still get the conviction and strength from the Holy Spirit?
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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
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i think he's praising u lehOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:Bleah. -
i donno, maybe he thinks im a prot... which can't be good.Originally posted by ben1xy:i think he's praising u leh -
hahahaOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:i donno, maybe he thinks im a prot... which can't be good.
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sometimes, i think i worry too much.Originally posted by ben1xy:hahaha
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I always think a Catholic can learn from a Prot, and vice versa.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:i donno, maybe he thinks im a prot... which can't be good.
Actually Catholics and Prots do have many similarities, but we often focus on the differences. We miss the forest for the trees. -
a small number of people look at the differences. most people i talk to actually chooses to think of both groups as Christians. Esp, when it comes to field work, differences between Catholics and Protestants are minimal, we all recognise that we are all brothers when we go out to do ministrial work.Originally posted by Icemoon:I always think a Catholic can learn from a Prot, and vice versa.
Actually Catholics and Prots do have many similarities, but we often focus on the differences. We miss the forest for the trees. -
Hmm .. maybe the people you talk to are more understanding.Originally posted by ben1xy:a small number of people look at the differences. most people i talk to actually chooses to think of both groups as Christians. Esp, when it comes to field work, differences between Catholics and Protestants are minimal, we all recognise that we are all brothers when we go out to do ministrial work.
In chinese, ji du jiao and tian zhu jiao are different labels. It is regrettable ji du jiao tu is synonymous with Protestants now. -
maybe bah. the only people that i did not have good experiences with was a certain christian grp and sporadic meetings with occasional Protestanants. However, the Protestants that i met, i could hardly take them seriously as they were sprouting stuff with no basis. Whatever they knew were all hearsay and u could tell straightaway that it was probably their BS leader that told them those things. when i tell them that the bible they used originated from the Catholic church .. they said i was lying ...Originally posted by Icemoon:Hmm .. maybe the people you talk to are more understanding.
In chinese, ji du jiao and tian zhu jiao are different labels. It is regrettable ji du jiao tu is synonymous with Protestants now.
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huh??? I though its we missed the forest for one tree?Originally posted by Icemoon:I always think a Catholic can learn from a Prot, and vice versa.
Actually Catholics and Prots do have many similarities, but we often focus on the differences. We miss the forest for the trees.
anyway, I think you are right, a Prot can always learn from a Catholic, at least I know I don't know all the answers... -
Ben,Originally posted by ben1xy:maybe bah. the only people that i did not have good experiences with was a certain christian grp and sporadic meetings with occasional Protestanants. However, the Protestants that i met, i could hardly take them seriously as they were sprouting stuff with no basis. Whatever they knew were all hearsay and u could tell straightaway that it was probably their BS leader that told them those things. when i tell them that the bible they used originated from the Catholic church .. they said i was lying ...
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not talking abt u lahOriginally posted by vince69:Ben,
we haven't met before right?
relax
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I hate it when people talk nonsense in an authoritative way.Originally posted by ben1xy:maybe bah. the only people that i did not have good experiences with was a certain christian grp and sporadic meetings with occasional Protestanants. However, the Protestants that i met, i could hardly take them seriously as they were sprouting stuff with no basis. Whatever they knew were all hearsay and u could tell straightaway that it was probably their BS leader that told them those things. when i tell them that the bible they used originated from the Catholic church .. they said i was lying ...
Hmm .. if you ask me .. the bible they use did not originate from the Catholic Church unless you mean the compilation.
If we read the history of the bible .. we know that the Latin Vulgate was used for over a millennium. The Roman Catholic Church practically got their whole liturgy from there .. just think of Ave Maria. And the Latin Vulgate is quite a lousy translation relatively you know? -
i have brought some Protestant stuff i picked up at WEFC and adapted it for the youths. they enjoy it actually.Originally posted by vince69:huh??? I though its we missed the forest for one tree?
anyway, I think you are right, a Prot can always learn from a Catholic, at least I know I don't know all the answers... -
The Catholics can do well with some Protestant insights.Originally posted by ben1xy:i have brought some Protestant stuff i picked up at WEFC and adapted it for the youths. they enjoy it actually.
But the opposite mah .. haha .. they accuse you of Semi Pelagianism first. -
yup. i'm referring to the compilation. and i'm surprised when some talk like they know everything.. but after the first 5 mins... u realised that they are just empty vessals pretending to know. my only problem with some Protestants is they totally ignore the historical aspect of their faith.Originally posted by Icemoon:I hate it when people talk nonsense in an authoritative way.
Hmm .. if you ask me .. the bible they use did not originate from the Catholic Church unless you mean the compilation.
If we read the history of the bible .. we know that the Latin Vulgate was used for over a millennium. The Roman Catholic Church practically got their whole liturgy from there .. just think of Ave Maria. And the Latin Vulgate is quite a lousy translation relatively you know?