A true church - yes or no?
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sian .. tot I could have a real discussion.
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IceOriginally posted by Icemoon:Quest* .. I sniff gnosticism in your post.
your sense of smell is getting sharper by the day...
wonder what is the purpose of Quest to bring out this post from BWB site (something that was posted 2 yrs ago) here, something that I do not think is wise to do. -
It is the "passing-off" that irks me.
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I rather he explain his purpose of bringing out a 2 yr old posting from another forum and posting it hereOriginally posted by Icemoon:It is the "passing-off" that irks me. -
As for me my friend. Here are my personal beliefs:Originally posted by Skibi:I believe that currently there is no such thing as a "true" religion or church. Those who claim to be the have the "truth" exclusively may merely be wolves in sheeps clothing since the truth is available to all - thru the bible. According to revelation the last book in the bible, before Jesus' coming there will be many earth-shaking signs and wonders. Those that heed the signs and wonders and believe in God* will be the ones that will be saved irregardless of their race or religion.
*e.g a Bhuddist may think of God as Bhudda not Jesus.
1) i believe that there is a true church existing in this world---> The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Church He started to build 2000 years ago and is continuing to build now as each new believer is added---> any one who has truly repented and trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation whoever they are, whereever they maybe, whatever fellowship or denomination they maybe in [though personally i do not agree with denominationalism. First century Christianity never had denominations].
2) About truth:
Truth can be the Living Word [the Lord Jesus Christ] or the written Word [The Bible]
According to revelation the last book in the bible, before Jesus' coming there will be many earth-shaking signs and wonders. Those that heed the signs and wonders and believe in God* will be the ones that will be saved irregardless of their race or religion.
Just asking my friend:
I may have forgetton it, where in Revelation can we find the words above you have written? Especially the ones in bold -
Actually denominationalism, when properly understood, is not that bad.
Read Jeremiah Burroughs and his denominational theory of the church. -
Originally posted by Ironside:
Words in bold is just my insight gained from reading the bible and this text...
According to revelation the last book in the bible, before Jesus' coming there will be many earth-shaking signs and wonders. [b]Those that heed the signs and wonders and believe in God* will be the ones that will be saved irregardless of their race or religion.
Just asking my friend:
I may have forgetton it, where in Revelation can we find the words above you have written? Especially the ones in bold
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After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
-Revelation 7:9 ESV
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Edit: It is not easy to point this out from just one text, the Bible, particularly the NT sypnotic gospels and revelation must be read as a whole to understand Jesus' compassion towards the "unincluded". In Jesus' time the "unincluded" were the gentiles and it was taught that salvation belonged exclusively to the jews.
So it is with the present they where some people teach that salvation belonged exclusive to "christians" and the "unincluded" thus becomes all other denominations/religions. This is not consistant with God's standard, his compassion and mercy. I belive that everyone has an equal chance to be saved. They are saved thru the true God in heaven, thus there is no deviation from Bible policy.
Afterall God is known by many names, Yehwah, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Buddha? etc... simply put it does not matter what name God is called by a true believer as long as it is reverent and with respect. Also the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of true believers to guide them along the true path according to their concience. -
wait a minute .. Buddha?Originally posted by Skibi:Afterall God is known by many names, Yehwah, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Buddha? etc... simply put it does not matter what name God is called by a true believer as long as it is reverent and with respect. Also the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of true believers to guide them along the true path according to their concience.
How is Buddhism similar to the Judeo-Christian faith other than "love and compassion"? -
my friend, you left out the explaination that can be found in the same chapter a verse later, on who are these that are clothed in white robes, and how they are being washed whiteOriginally posted by Skibi:Words in bold is just my insight gained from reading the bible and this text...
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After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
-Revelation 7:9 ESV
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Edit: It is not easy to point this out from just one text, the Bible, particularly the NT sypnotic gospels and revelation must be read as a whole to understand Jesus' compassion towards the "unincluded". In Jesus' time the "unincluded" were the gentiles and it was taught that salvation belonged exclusively to the jews.
they are washed white in the blood of the Lamb (Christ), meaning, these are all who had received Christ (Christians), who had been washed clean (made righteous) by His redeeming blood.
Revelation 7:13-14
13Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?"
14I answered, "Sir, you know."
And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. -
If we continue to read on from Revelations 7:9,
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
What do we mean by washed clean by the blood of the Lamb? It is to be redeemed by Jesus' work of salvation on the cross.
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. - Revelations 7:13-14 -
wah, "double posts"