animal sacrifice
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Icey, need some help. was asked this today (quoted in verbatim):
"I always wanted to know, if in Judiasm, they don't believe Christ was the Messiah, wouldn't they still be practising animal sacrifice today? Do they?" Can anyone enlighten me?
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they cannot offer sacrifices now because there is no Temple...same goes to the issue on Tithing for the Jews.
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ohh, then what about the synagogues that Jews attend? (sorry, i'm not familiar with Jewish practises)Originally posted by NT2:they cannot offer sacrifices now because there is no Temple...same goes to the issue on Tithing for the Jews. -
synagogues ate place of assembly for the jewish people. Its like a CC to them. no doubt they have worship there but the model of the Temple is not there.Originally posted by ben1xy:ohh, then what about the synagogues that Jews attend? (sorry, i'm not familiar with Jewish practises)
The Temple can only be built in Jerusalem and currently the site occupied by something else.
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got a good website to recomend? sounds pretty interesting. i would like to read up more on thisOriginally posted by NT2:synagogues ate place of assembly for the jewish people. Its like a CC to them. no doubt they have worship there but the model of the Temple is not there.
The Temple can only be built in Jerusalem and currently the site occupied by something else. -
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/The_Temple.htmlOriginally posted by ben1xy:got a good website to recomend? sounds pretty interesting. i would like to read up more on this
http://www.templeinstitute.org/ -
thks!
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NT2 is right.Originally posted by ben1xy:got a good website to recomend? sounds pretty interesting. i would like to read up more on this
I endorse his answer.
But some Christian idiots like to make the argument if not for Christ, you will still be sacrificing today. Crazy.
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Ben,
Like what was being said, animal scarifices can only be performed at the Temple (Jerusalem), hence is currently not "legal" to perform.
you can ask this in DT, think Brey should be able to help you in this.
or you can also refer to this website
Q. Why did Jews stop making animal sacrifices? -
no no, it wasn't a criticism. he was asking more out of curiousityOriginally posted by Icemoon:NT2 is right.
I endorse his answer.
But some Christian idiots like to make the argument if not for Christ, you will still be sacrificing today. Crazy. -
thks everyone! i think the picture is much clearer now!
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yah .. so Christ has made the ultimate sacrifice for all mankind.Originally posted by ben1xy:no no, it wasn't a criticism. he was asking more out of curiousity
There is no need to believe in Him to receive the salvation. Logical right? Sacrifice during the Temple period was an obligation between the Priest and God, common folks were not involved. -
So u're arguing for salvation outside Christ? is that what u're getting at?Originally posted by Icemoon:yah .. so Christ has made the ultimate sacrifice for all mankind.
There is no need to believe in Him to receive the salvation. Logical right? Sacrifice during the Temple period was an obligation between the Priest and God, common folks were not involved. -
Oh .. you are not very correct for the tithing.Originally posted by NT2:they cannot offer sacrifices now because there is no Temple...same goes to the issue on Tithing for the Jews.
The Jews do tithe. They have to because during the diaspora they live in a community and have to look out for one another. Now in Israel maybe they have social welfare or something, I'm not sure.
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_charitytzedakah.htm
The Jewish idea of tithing is actually very noble. Read the url for more information. -
Huh .. but Christ has already paid the price for us. The PAP can exempt your tax even if you support the opposition and living in opposition ward. (in the scenario that they exempt the tax in their own wards)Originally posted by ben1xy:So u're arguing for salvation outside Christ? is that what u're getting at?
Unless Christianity is like the PAP .. ahem. -
thanks for ur endorsementOriginally posted by Icemoon:NT2 is right.
I endorse his answer.
But some Christian idiots like to make the argument if not for Christ, you will still be sacrificing today. Crazy. -
I don't take sides.Originally posted by NT2:thanks for ur endorsement
If Christians are right .. I give my endorsement. -
so u r the christian theological endorsement board?Originally posted by Icemoon:I don't take sides.
If Christians are right .. I give my endorsement. -
Don't think so.Originally posted by NT2:so u r the christian theological endorsement board?
I might just give a vote to Muslims and Jews .. if they are right. -
in view of this topic, this verse is a good reminder to us who belong to God
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.
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wait ah. then how u reconcile this with John 14:6 - "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."Originally posted by Icemoon:Huh .. but Christ has already paid the price for us. The PAP can exempt your tax even if you support the opposition and living in opposition ward. (in the scenario that they exempt the tax in their own wards)
Unless Christianity is like the PAP .. ahem.
or
John 3:5 - "Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
it's an interesting perspective u have there -
Oh icey, what's the Jewish concept of heaven ah?
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They call it the world to come. WTC.Originally posted by ben1xy:Oh icey, what's the Jewish concept of heaven ah?
The Jewish is .. *checking references* .. olam haba.
Some points to note (from http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm):The Talmud states that all Israel has a share in the Olam Ha-Ba. However, not all "shares" are equal. A particularly righteous person will have a greater share in the Olam Ha-Ba than the average person. In addition, a person can lose his share through wicked actions. There are many statements in the Talmud that a particular mitzvah will guarantee a person a place in the Olam Ha-Ba, or that a particular sin will lose a person's share in the Olam Ha-Ba, but these are generally regarded as hyperbole, excessive expressions of approval or disapproval.
PS: mitzvot = commandments
Some people look at these teachings and deduce that Jews try to "earn our way into Heaven" by performing the mitzvot. This is a gross mischaracterization of our religion. It is important to remember that unlike some religions, Judaism is not focused on the question of how to get into heaven. Judaism is focused on life and how to live it. Non-Jews frequently ask me, "do you really think you're going to go to Hell if you don't do such-and-such?" It always catches me a bit off balance, because the question of where I am going after death simply doesn't enter into the equation when I think about the mitzvot. We perform the mitzvot because it is our privilege and our sacred obligation to do so. We perform them out of a sense of love and duty, not out of a desire to get something in return. In fact, one of the first bits of ethical advice in Pirkei Avot (a book of the Mishnah) is: "Be not like servants who serve their master for the sake of receiving a reward; instead, be like servants who serve their master not for the sake of receiving a reward, and let the awe of Heaven [meaning G-d, not the afterlife] be upon you."
Nevertheless, we definitely believe that your place in the Olam Ha-Ba is determined by a merit system based on your actions, not by who you are or what religion you profess. In addition, we definitely believe that humanity is capable of being considered righteous in G-d's eyes, or at least good enough to merit paradise after a suitable period of purification.
Do non-Jews have a place in Olam Ha-Ba? Although there are a few statements to the contrary in the Talmud, the predominant view of Judaism is that the righteous of all nations have a share in the Olam Ha-Ba. Statements to the contrary were not based on the notion that membership in Judaism was required to get into Olam Ha-Ba, but were grounded in the observation that non-Jews were not righteous people. If you consider the behavior of the surrounding peoples at the time that the Talmud was written, you can understand the rabbis' attitudes. By the time of Rambam, the belief was firmly entrenched that the righteous of all nations have a share in the Olam Ha-Ba. -
John 14:6 is easy. You can say the PAP is the way, the truth and the life. No one gets access to the budget, the national coffer, the legal system etc. except through them. Ahem ..Originally posted by ben1xy:wait ah. then how u reconcile this with John 14:6 - "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
or
John 3:5 - "Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
it's an interesting perspective u have there
OT a little .. after I read about gnosticism I thought it is quite similar to the theology in the Gospel of John. Always talking about spiritual stuffs. Hmm .. -
Thks for the answers on the heaven bit. seems i need to read up more on Jewish stuff. their insights seem really well rounded