Why Christians are going to hell.
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Of course you don't have subscribe to all that he says. My question is simple. Do you suscribe or not suscribe to his religious intolerance?Originally posted by outofcontrol225:Can you elaborate? Are you saying that Sam Harris is a god and I must subscribe to everything he says?
If one reads the whole Bible, we know Christians are redeemed by Christ. No longer are they subjected to the Law. They are to love one another, just like Christ loved them. -
Threadstarter... one more to add your internet dictionaryOriginally posted by Chin Eng:who's TS????
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izzit? i thot they're somehow similar? Anyway what's the purpose to lie abt this one?Originally posted by NT2:thats a lie. -
thanks.... I thought Tao Suan or something like that....Originally posted by sillyme:Threadstarter... one more to add your internet dictionary
... but this thread is flame-bait lah.... -
they have similar stories but details are not totally the same.Originally posted by looksee:izzit? i thot they're somehow similar? Anyway what's the purpose to lie abt this one?
The Jewish/Christian OT mentioned abt Abraham sacrificing Isaac but the Qu'ran insisted that it is Ishmael.
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You giving me a lesson on bible history?Originally posted by outofcontrol225:quote:
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The earliest Christian canon is found in the Bryennios manuscript, published by J.-P. Audet in JTS [4] 1950, v1, pp 135-154, dated to around 100, written in Koine Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew; it is this 27-book Old Testament list: "Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Jesus Nave, Judges, Ruth, 4 of Kings (Samuel and Kings), 2 of Chronicles, 2 of Esdras, Esther, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Job, Minor prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel"
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Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Hebrew Bible. It is part of Judaism's Torah - the first segment of the Tanakh. It later became part of Christianity's Old Testament. Its Hebrew name is Devarim ãáøéà ("words", which comes from the opening phrase "Eleh ha-devarim" ("These are the words...".
Sorry .. but are you fit to do that?
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ya lor... aren't you glad i'm around?Originally posted by Chin Eng:thanks.... I thought Tao Suan or something like that....
... but this thread is flame-bait lah....
very long never eat hot-stuff liao -
I guess you are not blessed to see sacarsm when it is intended.Originally posted by Icemoon:Are you a Jew?
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not no business lah, I am still going there once in while, after I finished my short article first, then maybe will post there (8th revision liaoOriginally posted by Chin Eng:just giving brey some business.... down there quite quiet... nowadays.
usually just good morning and good evening.
... but seriously, if it's a Jewish perspective, then I think deeper truth may be a better platform. ) -
Can't see the sacarsm because they do not apply to us in the first place.Originally posted by pwnz0r:I guess you are not blessed to see sacarsm when it is intended.
It is like the apartheid does not affect us .. any sacarsm intended is only meant for the blacks. -
haha i didn't read all that stuff.. can just go straight to the point? i hate lengthy words
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You're not very smart are you?Originally posted by Icemoon:Can't see the sacarsm because they do not apply to us in the first place.
It is like the apartheid does not affect us .. any sacarsm intended is only meant for the blacks. -
This was what you wrote:Originally posted by pwnz0r:You're not very smart are you?
Sure, we sure follow those commandments wholeheartedly.. After all we're still living under the old convenant, and Jesus has not come to sacrifice himself for us yet.
There are two mistakes in your "sacarsm":
1. We are not Jews, hence are not obliged to follow the commandments.
2. We are not Jews, our ancestors did not bind us to the covenant.
Seriously I don't see why the sacarsm is intended for us.
Edit: if you think you are smarter .. then tell me how the sacarsm is intended for us. -
I agree.Originally posted by Bontakun:A close brother of mine told me this verse.
Proverbs 18:2
"A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions."
To TS:
Please post which Bible you are quoting from. Some denominations have their own version of the Bible which has been "modified" to fit their teachings. -
How are they written for the Jews?Originally posted by Icemoon:I told you liao .. those are written for the Jews. -
Aurther = MosesOriginally posted by davidche:How are they written for the Jews?
Target Audience = The Jews that came out of Egypt with him. -
Nobody has actually answered the question directly. Its iether beat the bush or ask some questions for thought.
Its no wonder atheists will say we are escaping from the question.
From what i see now, the answer to the TS's qn is: The passage isnt for us.
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ok, i get it now. ThanksOriginally posted by vince69:Aurther = Moses
Target Audience = The Jews that came out of Egypt with him. -
Originally posted by davidche:How are they written for the Jews?
go and buy a good study Bible go and buy a good Bible concordance or commentary go and do a search in wiki go and do a search in Bible Gateway participate in some Bible study in your church attend Sunday School anyone of the above, or all of the above. don't be lazy and don't expect to be spoonfed, kid! -
What no answer..... got read or not (grammatical mistake on purpose)? Page 1, I wrote:Originally posted by davidche:Nobody has actually answered the question directly. Its iether beat the bush or ask some questions for thought.
Its no wonder atheists will say we are escaping from the question.
From what i see now, the answer to the TS's qn is: The passage isnt for us.
I am interested to know the answer.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Deuteronomy was credited to have been written by Moses in a tumultous times to the then-migratory Hebrew people after their departure from Egypt. When reading scripture, one must need to understand the context of what was happening, plus who were the passages talking to..... the passages were decidedly addressed to the Hebrew people who was with Moses. They are not general commandments per se, but specific instructions to specific people.
.... having said all that.... you are welcome to join those group of people who continually attempt to take the Bible at face value, reading without understanding.... picking at every indiscretion that you think came up....
.... so to you, if you think Christians are going to hell.... it's ok.... we won't be meeting up to discuss as to who's right and who's wrong if it happens. -
unker need to take it easy...Originally posted by Chin Eng:
relax lah... its Friday Evening liao....
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i got read, but other questions come out like, if the book isnt supposed to be meant for us, why is it in the bible?Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Plus, i did mention that the answer for now is : the passage isnt meant for us did i? -
oh this one I can help.Originally posted by davidche:i got read, but other questions come out like, if the book isnt supposed to be meant for us, why is it in the bible?
You can see it from three angles.
1. It is the Torah and hence part of the Jewish Scripture. Jesus himself quoted from the Jewish Scripture hence giving them authority. So if you are to start a religion based on Jesus, you dare leaving them out?
2. Historically, the book is part of the compilation by the church fathers. So what's in is in, what's out is out.
3. Even if you ignore 1, Christians need some sort of authority to declare themselves as the new "chosen people", the new Israel. So they take the Jewish Scripture and declare it the "old" testament. Naturally their book is the "new" testament. -
uncle CE....dun puke blood leh
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Originally posted by davidche:
so when in the Bible it is mentioned that Judas hanged himself, is it meant for you? if so, please do it quickly.
i got read, but other questions come out like, if the book isnt supposed to be meant for us, why is it in the bible?
Plus, i did mention that the answer for now is : [b]the passage isnt meant for us did i?[/b]