hOPe for christians who committed adultery?
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Do you remember Peter's case? He denied the Lord three times, yet when he REPENTED he was forgiven. David. he committed adultery, yet when he repented he was forgiven.Originally posted by alvin74:sori but verse 11 which says "were some of you", do these "were some of you" non-believers living in sinful lifestyles before receiving salvation & hence when they were converted, they could get their sins washed & forgotten...
but does it reference to christians who commit adultery able being washed & sanctified?
the point is, sin of Adultery is a grave sin, can God really forgive?
Or what about those Jews who voted for the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ, were they not forgiven when they repented Acts 2?
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Originally posted by Ironside:
you are not answering his question.
Do you remember Peter's case? He denied the Lord three times, yet when he [b]REPENTED he was forgiven.
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when did denial become a grave sin? -
what so special about it???Originally posted by M©+square:~ Jesus said, "Do you love me more than these?" ~
this verse. -
personal encounter.Originally posted by alvin74:what so special about it???
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erm .. I think Ironside has explained quite clearly just now. Refer to the part on parental forgiveness.Originally posted by alvin74:sori but verse 11 which says "were some of you", do these "were some of you" non-believers living in sinful lifestyles before receiving salvation & hence when they were converted, they could get their sins washed & forgotten...
but does it reference to christians who commit adultery able being washed & sanctified?
the point is, sin of Adultery is a grave sin, can God really forgive? -
Lu 12:9 "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.Originally posted by Icemoon:you are not answering his question.
when did denial become a grave sin? -
wa leow eh .. your own siggy you say nothing special??Originally posted by alvin74:what so special about it???
shouldn't you put a more special siggy then?
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bo dai ji .. Peter was forgiven right?Originally posted by Ironside:Lu 12:9 "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
You just shot yourself on the foot.
Edit: wait a minute .. I think it is really bo dai ji .. who cares about the angels of God? If you want to know what is grave sin, then read the next part - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. -
yes.. but.. i cant really believe GOD can forgive the sin when the sin is committed willingly (meaning with disregard to God's holy laws from the part of the christian) and even tho there is remorse & repentance..Originally posted by Icemoon:erm .. I think Ironside has explained quite clearly just now. Refer to the part on parental forgiveness.
God, help my unbelief.. -
actually what is the scenario like?Originally posted by alvin74:yes.. but.. i cant really believe GOD can forgive the sin when the sin is committed willingly (meaning with disregard to God's holy laws from the part of the christian) and even tho there is remorse & repentance..
God, help my unbelief..
You know it is wrong and you purposely do it? -
yeah, he was forgiven. that was the point. He was saying that adultery is a serious sin and doubts God's forgiveness about those who commit these kinds of sins.Originally posted by Icemoon:bo dai ji .. Peter was forgiven right?
You just shot yourself on the foot.
I told him that look Peter denied the Lord three times but he was forgiven.
Then you said: when did denial become a serioius sin?
I answered:
Lu 12:9 "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
if the Lord could forgive such a serioius sin as denying Him, then He could also forgive him about adultery. -
I added in an edit just now:Originally posted by Ironside:yeah, he was forgiven. that was the point. He was saying that adultery is a serious sin and doubts God's forgiveness about those who commit these kinds of sins.
I told him that look Peter denied the Lord three times but he was forgiven.
Then you said: when did denial become a serioius sin?
I answered:
Lu 12:9 "But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
if the Lord could forgive such a serioius sin as denying Him, then He could also forgive him about adultery.
Edit: wait a minute .. I think it is really bo dai ji .. who cares about the angels of God? If you want to know what is grave sin, then read the next part - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
After reading the part in Luke .. I don't understand how is that a grave sin, as compared to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when Jesus said you will not be forgiven. -
here's a parallel verse:Originally posted by Icemoon:I added in an edit just now:
Edit: wait a minute .. I think it is really bo dai ji .. who cares about the angels of God? If you want to know what is grave sin, then read the next part - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
After reading the part in Luke .. I don't understand how is that a grave sin, as compared to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when Jesus said you will not be forgiven.
Mt 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. -
I thought about it and realized this is the wrong focus.Originally posted by alvin74:yes.. but.. i cant really believe GOD can forgive the sin when the sin is committed willingly (meaning with disregard to God's holy laws from the part of the christian) and even tho there is remorse & repentance..
God, help my unbelief..
Instead of hoping for forgiveness, why not accept that you have erred and wait for punishment?
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Originally posted by Ironside:
obviously there is an exception clause which was not written down.
here's a parallel verse:
Mt 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before [b]My Father who is in heaven.[/b]
The statement cannot be taken absolutely since Peter was forgiven. -
no there was no exception clause. that is eisigesis. that's how liberals destroy what the Bible truly says.Originally posted by Icemoon:obviously there is an exception clause which was not written down.
The statement cannot be taken absolutely since Peter was forgiven.
it's not in the exception clause. there is no exception clause.
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Originally posted by Ironside:
of course there is.
no there was no exception clause. that is eisigesis. that's how liberals destroy what the Bible truly says.
it's not in the exception clause. there is no exception clause.
[b]IT'S IN THE TENSE OF THE VERB USED BY THE LORD JESUS. [/b]
or else pls explain why the verse does not apply to Peter?
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Originally posted by Ironside:
give me a min to think through this
yes, a repentant heart would result in repentant actions. The only grounds for divorce in the Bible is when one of the parties has committed immoralilty. The innocent is now at liberty to marry in that case. Or she can choose to remain unmarried and accept his husband again if the husband repents.
But if the wife has married already another [and she has not sinned because the husband has broken their marriage covenant through immorality], the now repentant husband is not return to his ex-wife anymore. She is not his wife anymore.
yes my friend, marriage is a covenant witnessed by God:
Mal 2:14 Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the LORD has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion [b]And your wife by covenant.
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1. The wife that got divorced was innocent and if she is still looking towards reconciliation?
2. she has not been married
would this thus require the husband to return to her to really qualify as repentence.
in the event that he doesn't. does this qualify as repentence? and if he doesn't repent, there would be no forgiveness right? -
Catholics .. be prepared NOT to find Peter at the Pearly Gates.
He could be burning in hell now for denying the Lord.
It is exegesis .. no exception clause!! -
Actually i have explained the tense of the word 'denied' here in this forum months ago.Originally posted by Icemoon:of course there is.
or else pls explain why the verse does not apply to Peter?
But that is not my concern right now. my concern is Alvin, i want to help him.
Alvin my friend can we talk on PM? -
IT'S IN THE TENSE OF THE VERB 'DENIED' MY FRIEND.Originally posted by Icemoon:Catholics .. be prepared NOT to find Peter at the Pearly Gates.
He could be burning in hell now for denying the Lord.
It is exegesis .. no exception clause!!
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helping alvin is definitely a priority, take all the time u need. after which, could u answer my post though ironside. the whole repentence-divorce-reconciliatin thing is not something which not many protestants seem willing to talk about about. so i'd like to hear from u in that regardOriginally posted by Ironside:Actually i have explained the tense of the word 'denied' here in this forum months ago.
But that is not my concern right now. my concern is Alvin, i want to help him.
Alvin my friend can we talk on PM?
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Originally posted by Ironside:
you are just plain confusing.
[b]IT'S IN THE TENSE OF THE VERB 'DENIED' MY FRIEND.
that's why Peter was forgiven
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The verse you quoted - Mt 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
where got denied? -
read Peter's account. sorry i can't really entertain you now.Originally posted by Icemoon:you are just plain confusing.
The verse you quoted - Mt 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
where got denied? -
Read the following:Originally posted by Ironside:read Peter's account. sorry i can't really entertain you now.
1. mark 14
2. john 13
3. matthew 26
4. luke 22
Don't have.