Is killing for God justifiable?

• Icemoon

  30 Oct 06, 00:13

  Originally posted by Skibi:

  There are no loopholes in what i have said, the test wouldn't be valid if abraham knew the result beforehand. Do teachers normally give out answer sheets before a test? Would the result be deemed valid if so?
  
  

  so how?
  
  biblical contradiction lor!
  
  SIS must be happiest now.
• Icemoon

  30 Oct 06, 00:39

  Originally posted by Skibi:

  There are no loopholes in what i have said, the test wouldn't be valid if abraham knew the result beforehand. Do teachers normally give out answer sheets before a test? Would the result be deemed valid if so?
  
  

  Actually the test is still valid.
  
  Let's say your teacher give out answer sheets before a test. You dare to copy or not? How you know they are the real answers?
  
  A friend from NUS telling me got one time they have test .. machiam bo cheng hu .. so the students happily copy from one another. And you know what? They never realize their neighbor holding a different set of question paper.
  
  So back to Abraham. Abraham said God will provide a sacrifice. This is a faith statement. How will God provide a substitute? Will Isaac die and be resurrected later? So many questions ..
  
  
• vince69

  31 Oct 06, 12:46

  Originally posted by iveco:

  All forms of killing are unacceptable, be it jihad, capital punishment or honour killings.

  how about self defend?
  like if its either you kill that guy, or that guy kill/harm you and/or your loved ones, type of situation?
  
• iveco

  31 Oct 06, 15:05

  Originally posted by vince69:

  how about self defend?
  like if its either you kill that guy, or that guy kill/harm you and/or your loved ones, type of situation?
  

  That one bo pian.
  
  What I meant was the state, clergy or family members have no right to decide who lives or dies. Those who think killing "infidels", hanging criminals or liquidating "dishonourable" family members is justified are most sinful.
• Skibi

  31 Oct 06, 19:34

  Originally posted by iveco:

  All forms of killing are unacceptable, be it jihad, capital punishment or honour killings.

  That is your own opinion and certainly not in-line with what the Bible preaches. I can quote many more examples...
  
  "
  And Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
  
  - 1 Samuel 15:1-3 "
  
  Edit: Taken from English Standard Version Bible
  
• Icemoon

  31 Oct 06, 20:47

  Skibi has a point.
  
  Any Christian like to offer an apologetic on this?
  
  
• pwnz0r

  6 Nov 06, 17:18

  Furthering on the discussion. We know that many military personnel are christians. Many of those in the Gulf War are christians and believe strongly in God. Yet they are commanded to kill. How do we view this?
  
  As Singaporeans, we are to bear arms and to protect our loved ones in time of war. What will you do when rubber meets the road and its time to pull the trigger?
  
  I will not hesitate to pull the trigger. I am not saved by my actions but simply by the grace of God. You cannot justify killing anyone for God or for anyone, but note that you are not judged by these actions.