Is killing for God justifiable?
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It should be murder.Originally posted by M©+square:I know, which is why i asked which is the Intended word for the commandment.
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Not for me to know.Originally posted by kaister:
It's for the contributors, esp Christians to know what they're arguing on.
When posted - Thou Shalt not Kill.
It dawn upon me that there are many who don't know their bible.
And don't know the implications of Kill and Murder.
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Murder is the more accepted translation.Originally posted by M©+square:I know, which is why i asked which is the Intended word for the commandment.
But it doesn't cover all the bases, from what I read, so people use 'kill' since it covers more base. -
All i care.....really.Originally posted by Icemoon:Murder is the more accepted translation.
But it doesn't cover all the bases, from what I read, so people use 'kill' since it covers more base.
Is what was written on the Stone Tablet. Period.
Arh neh
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Maybe it is a wu2 zi4 tian1 shu1?Originally posted by M©+square:All i care.....really.
Is what was written on the Stone Tablet. Period.
Arh neh
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Wi zi tian zhu from which Wu Sia novel one?Originally posted by Icemoon:Maybe it is a wu2 zi4 tian1 shu1? -
Originally posted by M©+square:Wi zi tian zhu from which Wu Sia novel one?
If that tablet is still around, it'll be the most expensive, possibly most priceless relic. -
hmmm...Originally posted by kaister:
If that tablet is still around, it'll be the most expensive, possibly most priceless relic.
lets see, these tablets was supposed to have been kept in the Ark of the Covenant which is another priceless relic.
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It's better off lost and never found. If found, it'll spark off another round of conflicts between 3 religions on whose sacred relic is it.Originally posted by vince69:hmmm...
lets see, these tablets was supposed to have been kept in the Ark of the Covenant which is another priceless relic.
Xing Feng Xue Yu -
Cannot kill animals how to eat ?
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Actually found liao right?Originally posted by kaister:It's better off lost and never found. If found, it'll spark off another round of conflicts between 3 religions on whose sacred relic is it.
Xing Feng Xue Yu
According to Steven Spielberg .. it is now hidden in some US warehouse .. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
You're assuming things here. If abraham knew God wouldn't take isaacs life it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. As for descendants as many as the stars God could always give him another son.
What a rubbish example.
The point in the Binding of Isaac is not about God ordering Abraham to kill his innocent son .. instead it is about Faith and the foreshadowing of Jesus Christ.
[b]Abraham knew that the same God who gave him a son through a miracle wouldn't take back his life .. and didn't God promise Abraham his descedants will be as many as the stars?
Abraham, on his part, just need to trust God. It is a covenant remember? God made the promise and how God solve the problem of the sacrifice is God's problem.
For it is written (Heb 11):
17 By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac. He who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son, 18of whom he had been told, ‘It is through Isaac that descendants shall be named after you.’ [/b] -
and you believe?Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually found liao right?
According to Steven Spielberg .. it is now hidden in some US warehouse .. -
you are the one dreaming, not me.Originally posted by Skibi:You're assuming things here. If abraham knew God wouldn't take isaacs life it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. As for descendants as many as the stars God could always give him another son.
you got read bible or not? Bible says:
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac. He who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son, 18of whom he had been told, ‘It is through Isaac that descendants shall be named after you.’
The author of Hebrews never talk c-o-c-k .. because in Genesis 21, it is written that
12But God said to Abraham, ‘Do not be distressed because of the boy and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for it is through Isaac that offspring shall be named after you.
You sort out your thoughts first then reply me can? -
it might be true .. 'cos the ark was hidden around the second world war. Now US is a superpower.Originally posted by vince69:and you believe?
Jokes aside .. if anyone is interested in the fate of the Ark, read "The Templars and the Ark of the Covenant" by Graham Phillips.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Templars-Ark-Covenant-Discovery-Treasure/dp/1591430399
Ben and I have read it .. absolutely thrilling! The book details his adventure to find the ark. Better than DVC which is not even a true account. -
Icey, for youOriginally posted by Icemoon:you are the one dreaming, not me.
you got read bible or not? Bible says:
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac. He who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son, 18of whom he had been told, ‘It is through Isaac that descendants shall be named after you.’
The author of Hebrews never talk c-o-c-k .. because in Genesis 21, it is written that
12But God said to Abraham, ‘Do not be distressed because of the boy and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for it is through Isaac that offspring shall be named after you.
You sort out your thoughts first then reply me can?
Genesis 22:6-8
6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?"
"Yes, my son?" Abraham replied.
"The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"
8 Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together. -
Thanks!Originally posted by vince69:Icey, for you
Genesis 22:6-8
6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?"
"Yes, my son?" Abraham replied.
"The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"
8 Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together.
Skibi .. you still here?
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I know my bible, and i can quote you more than enough proofs that killing for God is justifiable. But we can continue through MSN or through shoutbox, cos the argument is just between the two of us.
Edit:Icemoon, it is inappropiate for christians (or anyone for that matter) to label others as "rubbish" or "dreaming". Therefore please have the basic courtesy to continue our discussion over MSN, PM or even shoutbox. -
Huh .. the only argument between us is the Binding of Isaac issue.Originally posted by Skibi:I know my bible, and i can quote you more than enough proofs that killing for God is justifiable. But we can continue through MSN or through shoutbox, cos the argument is just between the two of us.
What do you have to say? Abraham knew that a replacement for Isaac will be provided after all. -
I guess whatever is mentioned in any other parts of the bible, nothing should supercede the 10 commandments.
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Why can't you guys start a new thread on this?Originally posted by Skibi:I know my bible, and i can quote you more than enough proofs that killing for God is justifiable. But we can continue through MSN or through shoutbox, cos the argument is just between the two of us.
Edit:Icemoon, it is inappropiate for christians (or anyone for that matter) to label others as "rubbish" or "dreaming". Therefore please have the basic courtesy to continue our discussion over MSN, PM or even shoutbox. -
Btw, that's what Osama and Paul Hill said too....Originally posted by Skibi:I know my bible, and i can quote you more than enough proofs that killing for God is justifiable.
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I don't think I have to entertain your request.Originally posted by Skibi:Edit:Icemoon, it is inappropiate for christians (or anyone for that matter) to label others as "rubbish" or "dreaming". Therefore please have the basic courtesy to continue our discussion over MSN, PM or even shoutbox.
you said:If abraham knew God wouldn't take isaacs life it wouldn't be a valid test anymore. As for descendants as many as the stars God could always give him another son.
I have shown you verses that totally demolish whatever you said. Unless you can reconcile the verses with what you said .. I feel there is no need for us to continue via a more private channel.
Put it here. It is a learning experience for every of us if your explanation is convincing. Why enlighten me only if you can enlighten a bigger audience? -
There are no loopholes in what i have said, the test wouldn't be valid if abraham knew the result beforehand. Do teachers normally give out answer sheets before a test? Would the result be deemed valid if so?Originally posted by Icemoon:I have shown you verses that totally demolish whatever you said. Unless you can reconcile the verses with what you said .. I feel there is no need for us to continue via a more private channel.
Put it here. It is a learning experience for every of us if your explanation is convincing. Why enlighten me only if you can enlighten a bigger audience? -
All forms of killing are unacceptable, be it jihad, capital punishment or honour killings.