Is killing for God justifiable?
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Let me make you think even harder.Originally posted by sgdiehard:how many types of killings are there? is murder killing?
Do you think the killing of the Egyptian by Moses is allowed?
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IIRC according to the Old Testament Bible God ordered the Jews to exterminate their enemies down to the last women/children/sheep/goat... for those nations/tribes deemed to be evil.
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This is so tempting...!Originally posted by Icemoon:Let me make you think even harder.
Do you think the killing of the Egyptian by Moses is allowed? 
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No. He was punished to be sheperd for 40 years and God killed him in the end after his service was completed.Originally posted by Icemoon:Let me make you think even harder.
Do you think the killing of the Egyptian by Moses is allowed? -
haha .. not that the punishments are directly related to the murder.Originally posted by Skibi:No. He was punished to be sheperd for 40 years and God killed him in the end after his service was completed. -
I don't think at all. if you think before you kill you commit murder!Originally posted by Icemoon:Let me make you think even harder.
Do you think the killing of the Egyptian by Moses is allowed?
So what did the Bible tells us about the killing of the Egyptian by Moses, was he allowed to do that or not? -
haha .. i also dunno .. never study that portion of the bible.Originally posted by sgdiehard:I don't think at all. if you think before you kill you commit murder!
So what did the Bible tells us about the killing of the Egyptian by Moses, was he allowed to do that or not?
maybe someone can enlighten me. -
Funny you could question what you didn't read.Originally posted by Icemoon:haha .. i also dunno .. never study that portion of the bible.
maybe someone can enlighten me.
So was Moses allowed to kill an eygptian? allowed by whom? by the eygptian law? or God's law? If he were not allowed by God's law, than it was God who should punish him. If he were not allowed by the Eygptian law, then he should have gone under the eygptian court, but he as a prince of eygpt, could have immunity against such law. In the end, why did he run away? His own conscience accused him.
May be the answer is, do you allow yourself to kill somebody? for self defence, for your country, your family, for God? the list goes on.....there is a lot to think, or just let your instinct decides at that point in time?
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I read but never study. Got difference leh.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Funny you could question what you didn't read. So was Moses allowed to kill an eygptian? allowed by whom? by the eygptian law? or God's law? If he were not allowed by God's law, than it was God who should punish him. If he were not allowed by the Eygptian law, then he should have gone under the eygptian court, but he as a prince of eygpt, could have immunity against such law. In the end, why did he run away? His own conscience accused him.
May be the answer is, do you allow yourself to kill somebody? for self defence, for your country, your family, for God? the list goes on.....there is a lot to think, or just let your instinct decides at that point in time?
Actually what Moses did was peer-defence? -
Next time after reading if still got questions then must study already, otherwise stories like Moses and the Red Sea remains a bedtime story only, you won't know God better by understanding what he did why he did.Originally posted by Icemoon:I read but never study. Got difference leh.
Actually what Moses did was peer-defence? -
Those are poor bedtime stories. Even in Aesops Fable and Grimms Fairy Tales .. you don't find mass murder by someone who is supposedly benevolent.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Next time after reading if still got questions then must study already, otherwise stories like Moses and the Red Sea remains a bedtime story only, you won't know God better by understanding what he did why he did. -
who is the judge who give the verdict??Originally posted by Icemoon:Those are poor bedtime stories. Even in Aesops Fable and Grimms Fairy Tales .. you don't find mass murder by someone who is supposedly benevolent.
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the readers.Originally posted by sgdiehard:who is the judge who give the verdict?? -
If the Bible is to be believed, God murdered everyone on Earth (except Noah and his family) by drowning which is a very cruel death. Even the animals that can't think right or wrong were ruthlessly destroyed. Could there be newborn babies killed during the flood too? Noone knows.Originally posted by Icemoon:Those are poor bedtime stories. Even in Aesops Fable and Grimms Fairy Tales .. you don't find mass murder by someone who is supposedly benevolent.
In my humble opinion since it can be deduced that Noah and his family were not without sin, God should have killed them off as well and ressurected those who had repented. Thus the world will be free from sin. However this view is simplistic and emphasize that God had made a mistake by destroying the Earth with a flood.
If one looks deeper, God had already foretold the coming of Jesus to Adam and Eve at the beginning long before the flood.
I can only assume that there must be some sort of heavenly politics involved here that makes the issue so complex and puzzling. -
the readers or the studyers? big difference you know.Originally posted by Icemoon:the readers. -
Can your maths make it?Originally posted by sgdiehard:the readers or the studyers? big difference you know. 
All studyers are readers but not all readers are studyers. -
Yes, this is one bit I truly cannot understand. Why kill everything with a flood? Why can't God just struck humans with a disease and leave all the animals alive?Originally posted by Skibi:If the Bible is to be believed, God murdered everyone on Earth (except Noah and his family) by drowning which is a very cruel death. Even the animals that can't think right or wrong were ruthlessly destroyed. Could there be newborn babies killed during the flood too? Noone knows.
In my humble opinion since it can be deduced that Noah and his family were not without sin, God should have killed them off as well and ressurected those who had repented. Thus the world will be free from sin. However this view is simplistic and emphasize that God had made a mistake by destroying the Earth with a flood.
If one looks deeper, God had already foretold the coming of Jesus to Adam and Eve at the beginning long before the flood.
I can only assume that there must be some sort of heavenly politics involved here that makes the issue so complex and puzzling.
So did he make a mistake? Please don't give me crappy answers like we don't understand his intention cos' that's equivalent to not answering at all. -
that is the problem, people just read a bit want to draw conclusion, never study want to give verdict, fortunately no judgement is passed yet.Originally posted by Icemoon:Can your maths make it?
All studyers are readers but not all readers are studyers.
Even those who studied may not understand. so I will now listen.
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Under English law, it would have been voluntary manslaughter based on a charge of murder and a defence of provocationOriginally posted by Icemoon:I read but never study. Got difference leh.
Actually what Moses did was peer-defence?
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Ok .. Moses deserves the 40 years with the Midanites.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:Under English law, it would have been voluntary manslaughter based on a charge of murder and a defence of provocation
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listen to what?Originally posted by sgdiehard:that is the problem, people just read a bit want to draw conclusion, never study want to give verdict, fortunately no judgement is passed yet.
Even those who studied may not understand. so I will now listen. -
I don't think saying that we do not understand is a crappy answer. From a Christian perspective, it is a perfectly legitimate answer, for it acknowledges the fact that as creatures, we are limited in our understanding of God. We think that there exists in this life things which have no answers that we are capable of discovering or apprehending.Originally posted by kaister:Yes, this is one bit I truly cannot understand. Why kill everything with a flood? Why can't God just struck humans with a disease and leave all the animals alive?
So did he make a mistake? Please don't give me crappy answers like we don't understand his intention cos' that's equivalent to not answering at all.
So in a sense, you are correct in that such responses do not provide the answer to the question. But to believers, that's an acceptable position, since it reflects the reality that God is the one who has the right to question, not us (see Job chapters 38 to 42).
In the philosophical context, you should not stop at those question. In fact, you should consider further why God bother to create at all, and why he bother to create sentient beings who screwed up his plan big time.
regards,
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Heng you are not a judge ah! Otherwise the way you pass sentence would make manslaughter like murder (in English law)Originally posted by Icemoon:Ok .. Moses deserves the 40 years with the Midanites.
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listen to find if anybody got any sensible, logical things to say.Originally posted by Icemoon:listen to what? -
hate the sin not the sinner