Christian & Fortune Telling!
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I have a question is it ok for Christian to visit a fortune teller to have his/her future read?
Alot of my colleagues have had their future read & I was just wondering it would be intresting to know what does the fortune teller has to say since many of my friends says the things said did come true.
It doesn't mean that I believe in such thing but would like to try it out of curiosity.
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There's no straight answer. The Bible does not expressly state that you cannot. It's up to each individual because we have free agency to choose wat we wan to do.
I'm oso curious but have resisted the temptation so far because if the things foretold are good, it's ok, easy to handle but if they r bad, it may cause me paranoia coz there's such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecies which may cause me mental disturbance. Anyway, like they say, your destiny/future lies in your own hands which we r all capable of building or destroying......
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Bible did say....Originally posted by :There's no straight answer. The Bible does not expressly state that you cannot. It's up to each individual because we have free agency to choose wat we wan to do.
I'm oso curious but have resisted the temptation so far because if the things foretold are good, it's ok, easy to handle but if they r bad, it may cause me paranoia coz there's such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecies which may cause me mental disturbance. Anyway, like they say, your destiny/future lies in your own hands which we r all capable of building or destroying......
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD..." - Deut 18:9-12 -
yubbie.Originally posted by klydeer:Bible did say....
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD..." - Deut 18:9-12
Anyway precious isnt a christian right? -
y not?
he can do watever he likes.
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I think we can argue that these are not timeless rules.Originally posted by klydeer:Bible did say....
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD..." - Deut 18:9-12
Because if the Hebrews engaged in those activities then .. their prophets will be bo3 seng1 yi4 right?
I can even use the Singapore analogy to argue. The government always use the same old excuses to justify their iron grip rule on the citizens. But as time changes, the people are more matured, in a sense the democracy has matured (unlike Taiwan) to the extent those rules can be relaxed.
Similarly it is important that those rules in Deut were enforced because Deut was during the early years after the commandments were given. The people were not yet matured.
How .. my theory can pass?
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copy catOriginally posted by Icemoon:How .. my theory can pass? -
copy who?Originally posted by davidche:copy cat -
Are these words(highlighted) not timeless?Originally posted by klydeer:Bible did say....
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD..." - Deut 18:9-12 -
It depends on whether the "anyone" is timeless or not.Originally posted by M©+square:Are these words(highlighted) not timeless?
come on .. deu and lev also mentions a lot of things Christians never follow .. ahem. I'm sure God uses the same tone when addressing those other issues. -
Then we have to relook into the bible, which are the things which are DETESTABLE to the LORD.Originally posted by Icemoon:It depends on whether the "anyone" is timeless or not.
come on .. deu and lev also mentions a lot of things Christians never follow .. ahem. I'm sure God uses the same tone when addressing those other issues.
And state it out. So that we could see if modern Christianity have indeed followed the ways of God.
We also need to identify the source of those : who practice divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Cheers -
u all leave me with more confusion than answers...so how?
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The real truth is the underlying factors that cause you to want to engage in such behaviour.
Why are you curious about what will befall you in the future, be in good or bad? Do you not have the security that the Lord will be with despite storms or good times?
A more dangerous factor is that these fortune tellers are typically subject to one spirit or another. By asking these fortune tellers for help, you are actually paying homage to these spirits.
Another important consideration is that with the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, do you have to seek other lesser spirits, be it evil or benign, for solace? -
Agree.Originally posted by M©+square:Then we have to relook into the bible, which are the things which are DETESTABLE to the LORD.
And state it out. So that we could see if modern Christianity have indeed followed the ways of God.
We also need to identify the source of those : who practice divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Cheers
It is better to find out what Scripture is trying to tell us before we form any hasty conclusion.
This you can do better than me. -
you shouldn't be confused.Originally posted by Solid_Snake:u all leave me with more confusion than answers...so how?
Actually confusion is a sign that you haven't sorted out your thinking .. meaning you haven't make sense of the cognitive dissonance in your head. Ok, I'm using the psychological term very loosely.
Rightfully you should have more questions than answers. -
thanks...i m now clearOriginally posted by pwnz0r:The real truth is the underlying factors that cause you to want to engage in such behaviour.
Why are you curious about what will befall you in the future, be in good or bad? Do you not have the security that the Lord will be with despite storms or good times?
A more dangerous factor is that these fortune tellers are typically subject to one spirit or another. By asking these fortune tellers for help, you are actually paying homage to these spirits.
Another important consideration is that with the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, do you have to seek other lesser spirits, be it evil or benign, for solace? -
Prophets not equal to fortune telling...Originally posted by Icemoon:Because if the Hebrews engaged in those activities then .. their prophets will be bo3 seng1 yi4 right?
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Think most have answered your query, better than i would.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think we can argue that these are not timeless rules.
Because if the Hebrews engaged in those activities then .. their prophets will be bo3 seng1 yi4 right?
I can even use the Singapore analogy to argue. The government always use the same old excuses to justify their iron grip rule on the citizens. But as time changes, the people are more matured, in a sense the democracy has matured (unlike Taiwan) to the extent those rules can be relaxed.
Similarly it is important that those rules in Deut were enforced because Deut was during the early years after the commandments were given. The people were not yet matured.
How .. my theory can pass?
For me, would just like to leave you with a verse in Matthew.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"' - Matthew 7:21 - 23. -
That kind of instructions were meant for people at that time.Originally posted by klydeer:Bible did say....
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD..." - Deut 18:9-12
There is nothing wrong with fortune telling and diviantion if it helps you to lead a better life. -
This is the wrong understanding. I think you never think enough.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Prophets not equal to fortune telling...
Imagine you sell ramen. You are the only stall around.
Then one day you find a new shop across the street, selling everything from cha kway teow to ba kut teh. Wah leow .. singaporean favourite food!
Do you agree that you will be bo seng yi now? Furthermore you are the stubborn kind, dunno how to adapt, stress on authentic favour but it doesn't appeal to the local taste. -
aiya .. that one is referring to charismatics. Quite clear cut.Originally posted by klydeer:Think most have answered your query, better than i would.
For me, would just like to leave you with a verse in Matthew.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"' - Matthew 7:21 - 23. -
can, just improve on the shop setup, make it more authentic, increase your price by 5folds.Originally posted by Icemoon:This is the wrong understanding. I think you never think enough.
Imagine you sell ramen. You are the only stall around.
Then one day you find a new shop across the street, selling everything from cha kway teow to ba kut teh. Wah leow .. singaporean favourite food!
Do you agree that you will be bo seng yi now? Furthermore you are the stubborn kind, dunno how to adapt, stress on authentic favour but it doesn't appeal to the local taste.
sure got people want to come one, to be seen in a posh environment eating expensive food.
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I say bo seng yi .. not close shop.Originally posted by vince69:can, just improve on the shop setup, make it more authentic, increase your price by 5folds.
sure got people want to come one, to be seen in a posh environment eating expensive food.
You can't survive if let's say the neighborhood has majority of middle to lower income families.
of course la .. if bo seng yi for too long you will close shop.
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Hmm...Originally posted by Icemoon:This is the wrong understanding. I think you never think enough.
Imagine you sell ramen. You are the only stall around.
Then one day you find a new shop across the street, selling everything from cha kway teow to ba kut teh. Wah leow .. singaporean favourite food!
Do you agree that you will be bo seng yi now? Furthermore you are the stubborn kind, dunno how to adapt, stress on authentic favour but it doesn't appeal to the local taste.
i don't know how this thing became a business analogy.
May i remind readers that any dealings in these are considered spiritual adultery?
Equivalent to acts of idol worshipping.
That is why it is detestable onto the Lord.
For your consideration please. -
Actually when it comes to food we are quite practical.
That day I was walking along City Link, I realized there is a new cafe. The old one used to sell noodles I remember.