Seminar on 13 October 06 - Dismantling the Big Bang Theory
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I like your analogy!Originally posted by Icemoon:Because you should be helping to put out the fire or call the fire department.
Similarly when your friend is drowning, do you pray that he drown slower or try to save him?
Personally, if it's a friend I don't like, I'll start praying
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When you have a person whom you don't like. He/she is not your friend.Originally posted by kaister:I like your analogy!
Personally, if it's a friend I don't like, I'll start praying -
James 2:14-17Originally posted by Icemoon:I think Jesus said something similar also .. was it in the good samaritan?
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
in short, what good is it to the person who is without clothes and daily food, if you just say"Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,"?
that person will still be cold and hungry,
be practical, give him something to keep warm and feed him something to eat also.
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So true but then again, I'm sure you have friends you don't like to a certain degree, just maybe not enough to "pray" for him when he's drowningOriginally posted by M©+square:When you have a person whom you don't like. He/she is not your friend. -
Hmm...our definitions of 'friends' are different?Originally posted by kaister:So true but then again, I'm sure you have friends you don't like to a certain degree, just maybe not enough to "pray" for him when he's drowning
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I remember the Jewish sages debated on whether to save or not in a similar scenario.Originally posted by kaister:I like your analogy!
Personally, if it's a friend I don't like, I'll start praying
And I think the conclusion they reached was .. no.
Something unrelated to their discussion, my legal lecturer told us if you try to kei kiang and the person died .. you can be sued for negligence. 'cos by trying to save, you incur an obligation of duty? -
Haha... no debates on definitions again!Originally posted by M©+square:Hmm...our definitions of 'friends' are different? -
Don't worry, i'm not starting one.Originally posted by kaister:Haha... no debates on definitions again!
Won't be interested to carry on if it happens. -
I'll still try to save if I'm the only person around. I would rather get sued than to see a person die when I can do something about it.Originally posted by Icemoon:I remember the Jewish sages debated on whether to save or not in a similar scenario.
And I think the conclusion they reached was .. no.
Something unrelated to their discussion, my legal lecturer told us if you try to kei kiang and the person died .. you can be sued for negligence. 'cos by trying to save, you incur an obligation of duty? -
In SIngapore, I think one is not legally bound to save somebody else lifeOriginally posted by kaister:I'll still try to save if I'm the only person around. I would rather get sued than to see a person die when I can do something about it. -
it gets tricky if let's say you have a family to feed.Originally posted by kaister:I'll still try to save if I'm the only person around. I would rather get sued than to see a person die when I can do something about it.
maybe the person haven't drown you drowned liao. 'cos the person treats you as a float? -
correct .. because there isn't any obligation of duty in the first place.Originally posted by laurence82:In SIngapore, I think one is not legally bound to save somebody else life
the problem comes when you try to kei kiang .. I think you can be sued for negligence. -
So many decisions!Originally posted by Icemoon:it gets tricky if let's say you have a family to feed.
maybe the person haven't drown you drowned liao. 'cos the person treats you as a float?
think I'll pray instead. -
linear ah. but God transcends time. I wonder whether i could extrapolate whether God could thus change things based on a prayerOriginally posted by kaister:Dun christians view time as linear as well? -
Best decision - jump in and pray that both of you won't drown.Originally posted by kaister:So many decisions! think I'll pray instead.
I think this is the decision with the highest chance of success. Maybe highest utility value also. -
This is the exact kind of statement that puts me off.Originally posted by NT2:u have all the knowledge but u r not going to heaven if you do not receive the gift of eternal life by faith, through His grace.
and christians wonder why they are considered arrogant. any conversation they can't win would almost inevitably result being this statement being drawn as a their sulking trump card. -
oh btw, will some kind soul please post up the audio file if they can?
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this is infringing the performer's right.Originally posted by nomood:oh btw, will some kind soul please post up the audio file if they can?
Thanks.
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Initially it puts me off too.Originally posted by nomood:This is the exact kind of statement that puts me off.
and christians wonder why they are considered arrogant. any conversation they can't win would almost inevitably result being this statement being drawn as a their sulking trump card.
But on further thought .. I think they are really ke3 bei1.
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wanna go then go....no point arguing.
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Well, I guess you have failed to be the light of the world and salt of the earth.Originally posted by NT2:wanna go then go....no point arguing. -
shen au!Originally posted by Icemoon:Christians view time as linear.
Meaning there is a progression of sort, as opposed to those Hindu-related faiths who view time as cyclical.
S.Tong talked about this last time, a few years ago. I think it was at least 5 years ago.
And the genius of Christianity was that the eternal God who is outside time entered into this linear history.
PS: In case atheists shoot me on the "progression of sort", let me say that this is the Judeo-Christian fundamental belief that history and time will reach its climax, when the Messiah will return and God will judge the world blah blah .. -
are chirstians supposed to be viewed as a soul?Originally posted by nomood:oh btw, will some kind soul please post up the audio file if they can?
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Christians are humans. Period. Any further discussion beyond this will result in heated debates and flame wars.Originally posted by davidche:are chirstians supposed to be viewed as a soul? -
Edward de Bono once said, and i paraphrase. There are two forms of regulations. The first one is the law, which prevent us from killing one other. The other, is etiquette, which prevents us from annoying one another.Originally posted by nomood:This is the exact kind of statement that puts me off.
and christians wonder why they are considered arrogant. any conversation they can't win would almost inevitably result being this statement being drawn as a their sulking trump card.