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Is there absolute truth?Originally posted by davidche:I am questioning the purpose of the forum because i dont think its according to God's teachings to build a place to generate hatred or conflicts.
And i also thought that truth is absolute so cannot be argued upon?
To the self: truth is only absolute if you want it to be absolute.
To the world: something that the self perceive as truth does not necessarily mean that it is truth to others.
"Everything I tell you is truth as I know - that does not mean that everything I tell is truth itself"
The only absolute truth is after the world is destroyed
1. whether we sit in front on the throne of God.
2. or we sit in front of another god.
3. or there is absolute nothing.
By then, nothing we say or do now matters.
The purpose of this forum? Now that it is quite unmoded, it is what you want it to be.
Those who want to crap here wil continue to crap.
Those who want to post hatred here will continue to post hatred.
Those who want to help others will continue to help others.
Whether it is in conflict with God's teaching or not.... depends on what you want to do.
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you r like saying theres real and fake truth....
nvm...
So this forum generates hatred and help.
See what you guys want.
Oh and crap too.
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I think he meant that there are always two sides to everything. With good there will be evil. With light, there will be darkness. What you want to make do with the situation is up to you entirely.Originally posted by davidche:you r like saying theres real and fake truth....
nvm...
So this forum generates hatred and help.
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u dun seem to know that u're one major cause for hatred.Originally posted by davidche:you r like saying theres real and fake truth....
nvm...
So this forum generates hatred and help.
See what you guys want.
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oh... thxOriginally posted by kaister:I think he meant that there are always two sides to everything. With good there will be evil. With light, there will be darkness. What you want to make do with the situation is up to you entirely. -
Originally posted by ben1xy:basically ... he is questioning the purpose of this forum
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How do you know what is the truth? Where did you get your truth?Originally posted by davidche:you r like saying theres real and fake truth....
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So this forum generates hatred and help.
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He got his truth from God? And where did you get your truth from?Originally posted by pretzel:How do you know what is the truth? Where did you get your truth? -
I don't claim to know any truth. I am not gei kiangOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:He got his truth from God? And where did you get your truth from? -
read the quote from my post, then read my post. now read your reply.Originally posted by pretzel:How do you know what is the truth? Where did you get your truth? -
I have even seen cases of anglicans calling methodists devil-worshippers... But those people are extremists...
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Some people claim to know truth is absolute. So, what's your stand on the issue now?Originally posted by davidche:read the quote from my post, then read my post. now read your reply. -
claim to know truth is absolute?Originally posted by pretzel:Some people claim to know truth is absolute. So, what's your stand on the issue now?
Truth is absolute, are there other choices since its worth a discussion? -
I have no answer to this question because I have no idea. I only know this forum served as an information center. I learnt alot from it. I also know it served as an arguement center where many people present their cases in here. This I do not interfere for I am still young.Originally posted by davidche:How many of the atheists that come and go have actually been brought to chrisianity?
Do you think this forum serves any purpose except devleoping hatred and sins?
I can also see this served as a medium where some individuals became "competitive" rivals and some became friends. So... there are good and bad sides to it. -
Originally posted by davidche:
How about relative? So, you think you know truth is absolute and you know what is absolute truth?
claim to [b]know truth is absolute?
Truth is absolute, are there other choices since its worth a discussion?
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And i also thought that truth is absolute so cannot be argued upon?
Truth is absolute, but who knows the absolute truth ? U ? Wat make u think the truth u preceive is absolute truth while others r absolute rubbish ? U think u know the truth while I think mine is right ? So how ? In tis sense the issue of contempt is relative truth, and the best way to come closer to absoulte truth is by debating and hopefully come out with a sound conclusion tat is closer to the absolute truth.
If u wanna use tat statement, I challenge u to claim u know wat is the absolute truth and back it up. Otherwise your statement is meaningless. -
i see.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Truth is absolute, but who knows the absolute truth ? U ? Wat make u think the truth u preceive is absolute truth while others r absolute rubbish ? U think u know the truth while I think mine is right ? So how ? In tis sense the issue of contempt is relative truth, and the best way to come closer to absoulte truth is by debating and hopefully come out with a sound conclusion tat is closer to the absolute truth.
If u wanna use tat statement, I challenge u to claim u know wat is the absolute truth and back it up. Otherwise your statement is meaningless.
But if the person knows the truth will he/she still argue with ppl so that they might reach a conclusion nearer to the truth?
Does that mean tat christians shldnt participate in this type of discussion cos they say that they know the truth. So if they still argue, they are admitting themselves that they dont know the truth, thus they need a conclusion nearer to the absolute truth. -
I see.
Because unless the guy is blind, arrogant or never made a mistake in his life, he couldn't have a reason to state he know absolute truth. If u felt tat christian shouldn't participate in tis type of dicsussion, u r saying they think they r special and smart and the only one who know absolute truth while the others r stupid and lost and far from truth. Then, they r really arrogant and r the real lost people stuck in their relative truth.
But if the person knows the truth will he/she still argue with ppl so that they might reach a conclusion nearer to the truth?
Does that mean tat christians shldnt participate in this type of discussion cos they say that they know the truth. So if they still argue, they are admitting themselves that they dont know the truth, thus they need a conclusion nearer to the absolute truth.
If christian think they r the one with the absolute truth, why not bring it to the test by debating his point of view with others ? Everyone made mistake and err in judgement before. Why do they think they made the right choice in their religion and the rest of the world dumbasses and made the wrong choice ? He can also do good by bringing more people to absolute truth. There is really no reason why a christian shouldn't debate his conviction with others unless he believe he is nowhere near the absolute truth and couldn't handle the truth. -
Originally posted by davidche:
How come you never answer my questions? Christians should know how to discern between knowing and believing.
i see.
But if the person knows the truth will he/she still argue with ppl so that they might reach a conclusion nearer to the truth?
Does that mean tat christians shldnt participate in this type of discussion cos they say that they know the truth. So if they still argue, they are admitting themselves that they dont know the truth, thus they need a conclusion nearer to the absolute truth. -
yes, i know, but i specified in my post the type of discussion for a conclusion near to the truth.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Because unless the guy is blind, arrogant or never made a mistake in his life, he couldn't have a reason to state he know absolute truth. If u felt tat christian shouldn't participate in tis type of dicsussion, u r saying they think they r special and smart and the only one who know absolute truth while the others r stupid and lost and far from truth. Then, they r really arrogant and r the real lost people stuck in their relative truth.
If christian think they r the one with the absolute truth, why not bring it to the test by debating his point of view with others ? Everyone made mistake and err in judgement before. Why do they think they made the right choice in their religion and the rest of the world dumbasses and made the wrong choice ? He can also do good by bringing more people to absolute truth. There is really no reason why a christian shouldn't debate his conviction with others unless he believe he is nowhere near the absolute truth and couldn't handle the truth.
The discussion to persuade other ppl is a different thing.
The discussion to teach other ppl is also different.
What im saying is that, christians believe that the relative truth to them is the absolute truth. So they will not need to participate in the kind of discussion that is to generate a conclusion near to the truth.
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yes, i know, but i specified in my post the type of discussion for a conclusion near to the truth.
U say it yourself, they believe their relative truth as the absolute truth. They cannot say for sure that wat they believe is the absolute truth and as such, discussion can test their theories and gain better understanding. Even Einstein and probably the whole world do discuss/debate in order to get better understanding. Even the highest church council also do debate and discuss
The discussion to persuade other ppl is a different thing.
The discussion to teach other ppl is also different.
What im saying is that, christians believe that the relative truth to them is the absolute truth. So they will not need to participate in the kind of discussion that is to generate a conclusion near to the truth.
are you saying that anyone who believes in the truth is being arrogant and-self smart?
If one felt tat wat his belief is true and all the other must be false, then tis guy is blind, arrogant and thought he neve made a mistake in his life. -
Originally posted by davidche:
Since you have said that you BELIEVE and NOT KNOW, there is no debate.
yes, i know, but i specified in my post the type of discussion for a conclusion near to the truth.
The discussion to persuade other ppl is a different thing.
The discussion to teach other ppl is also different.
What im saying is that, christians believe that the relative truth to them is the absolute truth. So they will not need to participate in the kind of discussion that is to generate a conclusion near to the truth.
are you saying that anyone who believes in the truth is being arrogant and-self smart? -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
regarding your last sentance, this guy must be blind if he believes in the truth is wad i can litterally draw out.
U say it yourself, [b]they believe their relative truth as the absolute truth. They cannot say for sure that wat they believe is the absolute truth and as such, discussion can test their theories and gain better understanding. Even Einstein and probably the whole world do discuss/debate in order to get better understanding. Even the highest church council also do debate and discuss
If one felt tat wat his belief is true and all the other must be false, then tis guy is blind, arrogant and thought he neve made a mistake in his life. [/b]
You are saying that the truth is relative. But what if the relative truth is absolute?
So you dont know whether the truth he believes is absolute or not. Therefore, you cannot say that he is being blind.
nvm,
The strong point is your einstien and church thingy, but i need you to include more stuffs(like discuss about wad) b4 i can argue. Thanks
Your first para, they believe that the truth is absolute, therefore, they are not sure wad they believe is absolute. -
regarding your last sentance, this guy must be blind if he believes in the truth is wad i can litterally draw out.
Tat is the thing. They believe tat their truth is absolute, but wat if it is relative ? R they god ? They never made mistake ? As human, even stated in the bible, r prone to err. In such a complicated issue, no one can surely say they have the absolute truth. Isn't it a good means to test it out ? If it is the truth, it can stand the test. Why so afraid of discussing ?
You are saying that the truth is relative. But what if the relative truth is absolute?The strong point is your einstien and church thingy, but i need you to include more stuffs(like discuss about wad) b4 i can argue. Thanks
They discuss about policy and science. So wat r u gonna argue about ?Your first para, they believe that the truth is absolute, therefore, they are not sure wad they believe is absolute
Everybody believe tat their truth is absolute. Who will wanna believe in the wrong thing ? However everybody have to realise the important point tat the truth they believe in is relative. Muslim believe their religion is correct and it is the absolute truth. Christians, buddhists, cultists, Jews etc as followed. But the absolute truth can be only 1 or none of them. Doesn't tat show either most of them, or all of them have relative truth and r really far off from absolute truth. As said again. Unless u r blind, conceited, arrogant or thought u never made a mistake in your life, u cannot say u have the absolute truth absolutely. -
i understand now.
i lose 
