Go to church every week
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The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as "Bible Christians" insist. The first Christians knew that it was a sacrifice and proclaimed this in their writings. They recognized the sacrificial character of Jesus’ instruction, "Do this in remembrance of me" (Touto poieite tan eman anamnasin; Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24–25) which is better translated "Offer this as my memorial offering."
Thus, Protestant early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly writes that in the early Church "the Eucharist was regarded as the distinctively Christian sacrifice. . . . Malachi’s prediction (1:10–11) that the Lord would reject Jewish sacrifices and instead would have "a pure offering" made to him by the Gentiles in every place was seized upon by Christians as a prophecy of the Eucharist. The Didache indeed actually applies the term thusia, or sacrifice, to the Eucharist. . . .
"It was natural for early Christians to think of the Eucharist as a sacrifice. The fulfillment of prophecy demanded a solemn Christian offering, and the rite itself was wrapped in the sacrificial atmosphere with which our Lord invested the Last Supper. The words of institution, ‘Do this’ (touto poieite), must have been charged with sacrificial overtones for second-century ears; Justin at any rate understood them to mean, ‘Offer this.’ . . . The bread and wine, moreover, are offered ‘for a memorial (eis anamnasin) of the passion,’ a phrase which in view of his identification of them with the Lord’s body and blood implies much more than an act of purely spiritual recollection" (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines [Full Reference], 196–7).
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so ben is Zhang Wuji now?
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Ben:
Could you guide me on figuring something out?
Yes, i've heard afew of my catholic friends explaining the meaning and how Catholics differs from Protestant's views on sacraments and eucharist.
Take one for example.
He would explain to me with great passion on how real the elements are and it went far beyond just mere wafer and drink, it is the flesh and blood, most of which you've posted here.
All the speech with one stick of ciggarette in between his index and middle finger.
Are Catholics allowed to smoke and drink? Does Catholics believe that the sacraments - which they believe are real and went far beyond just a mere spiritual recollection.
Have the power to change their lives? Is it a obligation/duty to partake the Eucharist?
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Yup this is more or less comprehensive in that it goes more than wafer and drink, but becomes the real elements.Originally posted by M©+square:Ben:
Could you guide me on figuring something out?
Yes, i've heard afew of my catholic friends explaining the meaning and how Catholics differs from Protestant's views on sacraments and eucharist.
Take one for example.
He would explain to me with great passion on how real the elements are and it went far beyond just mere wafer and drink, it is the flesh and blood, most of which you've posted here.
Have u heard abt the Eucharistic Miracle? here's the link http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
I'm not using this to push forward my point, instead i think it's an interesting read
Yes they are, not excessively. i know it's a weak arguement.Originally posted by M©+square: Are Catholics allowed to smoke and drink?
I cannot speak on behalf of all Catholics. I will describe my own experience.Originally posted by M©+square: Does Catholics believe that the sacraments - which they believe are real and went far beyond just a mere spiritual recollection.
Have the power to change their lives?
I believe fevourly in the sacraments. Since we are on the topic of the Eucharist, i'll share with you mine. Everytime i go to church, i try to sit as front as possible as the Priest conduct Mass. When he breaks the bread, to me it's one of the most wonderful sights in the world, i always feel so humbled that Christ died and instituted this Sacrament for me to be in communion with him. Also in Mass, u do not just congregate with Catholics, it's a place where the living, dead and saints all congregate together and i cannot help but feel comforted that my grandparents are there too.
Remember my girl friend that was from CCC, she nv understood my strong passion for the Eucharist, till after her Baptism, while she was kneeling down and she saw the Priest break the Bread, she told me she almost cried.
I sincerely feel that sacraments are 1 thing that the Protestant church misses out on. It's something so wonderful, i cannot put it in words, it must be experienced
this i have no idea.Originally posted by M©+square: Is it a obligation/duty to partake the Eucharist?
Cheers
Anyway MC, i would like to stress that most Catholics do not really understand the sacraments and are misinformed. We're also not a perfect bunch, comprising mostly of Sunday Catholic. That's why we keep praying that we'll all be able to grow strongly in our faith -
Yeah even C*C also believes in transubstantiation. whereby when one partakes of the eucharist they r literally entering into the presense of God.Originally posted by ben1xy:ohh! so Christ is truely present in the Host?
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Thanks very much for your answers.Originally posted by ben1xy:this i have no idea.
Anyway MC, i would like to stress that most Catholics do not really understand the sacraments and are misinformed. We're also not a perfect bunch, comprising mostly of Sunday Catholic. That's why we keep praying that we'll all be able to grow strongly in our faith
The fact which i'm puzzled is,
If Catholics have such knowledge, awe and great reverance of the Eucharist. All the more they value the meaning of what it means to have Christ within them and to live out a life deserving and worthy for His name.
The act of partaking Eucharist itself is a life changing act.
Atleast to me personally.
It did and i believe if anyone went thru recieving the communion without the depth of reflection onto self and the sacrifice of Jesus. He took it in vain.
That is why whenever a catholic(friend) educates me about sacraments.
Told me about the real flesh and blood.
I'd always ask. Do you understand why are you partaking it?
Do you really really know or understand what Christ went through for you to stand in your church to partake it?
Come, Tell me more about sufferings and sacrifices of Christ.
They prefer to switch topics.
It seems to me that the Eucharist is close to their hearts. Not reasons of Christ love and sacrifice.
My opinion.
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He meant partaking the actual flesh and blood.Originally posted by babyys:Yeah even C*C also believes in transubstantiation. whereby when one partakes of the eucharist they r literally entering into the presense of God.
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Without using this as an excuse, most Catholics are cradle Catholics, meaning, we were Baptised at birth. From what some of my friends tell me, things become so ingrained that sometimes we dun step back to reflect.Originally posted by M©+square:Thanks very much for your answers.
The fact which i'm puzzled is,
If Catholics have such knowledge, awe and great reverance of the Eucharist. All the more they value the meaning of what it means to have Christ within them and to live out a life deserving and worthy for His name.
The act of partaking Eucharist itself is a life changing act.
Atleast to me personally.
It did and i believe if anyone went thru recieving the communion without the depth of reflection onto self and the sacrifice of Jesus. He took it in vain.
That is why whenever a catholic(friend) educates me about sacraments.
Told me about the real flesh and blood.
I'd always ask. Do you understand why are you partaking it?
Do you really really know or understand what Christ went through for you to stand in your church to partake it?
Come, Tell me more about sufferings and sacrifices of Christ.
They prefer to switch topics.
It seems to me that the Eucharist is close to their hearts. Not reasons of Christ love and sacrifice.
My opinion.
Cheers
i am definitely guilty of that in many respects
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babyys wrote C*C and you took the liberty of adding in the 'H' ..Originally posted by M©+square:He meant partaking the actual flesh and blood.
Does CHC believe in that? -
1) Smoking and drinking in moderation is acceptable.Originally posted by M©+square: Are Catholics allowed to smoke and drink? Does Catholics believe that the sacraments - which they believe are real and went far beyond just a mere spiritual recollection.
Have the power to change their lives? Is it a obligation/duty to partake the Eucharist?
2) Sacraments have the power to change one's life. But it depends on one's worthiness.
3) Catholics are to recieve Holy Eucharist at least once a year and during Easter, but of course it is also necessary to observe Sundays and certain Holy Days as Days of Obligation. -
+1Originally posted by ben1xy:Without using this as an excuse, most Catholics are cradle Catholics, meaning, we were Baptised at birth. From what some of my friends tell me, things become so ingrained that sometimes we dun step back to reflect.
i am definitely guilty of that in many respects -
I don't know what you mean by 'entering into the presence of God'. If we were to apply the Catholic understanding, Transubstantiation does not occur in any Protestant church (save for the Church of Sweden) because:Originally posted by babyys:Yeah even C*C also believes in transubstantiation. whereby when one partakes of the eucharist they r literally entering into the presense of God.
1) They do not have the Mass.
2) They do not have valid Holy Orders.
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hmm...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:1) Smoking and drinking in moderation is acceptable.
2) Sacraments have the power to change one's life. But it depends on one's worthiness.
3) Catholics are to recieve Holy Eucharist at least once a year and during Easter, but of course it is also necessary to observe Sundays and certain Holy Days as Days of Obligation.
then there are some differences in term of understanding
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(1) no biblical comment
(2) Sacraments have the power to change one's life. But it depends on Christ and not on man. if its to depend on one's worthiness, then no one qualify.
(3) we are encourage to have it as often as possible, but no comdemnation/guilt if you missed it.
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hmm... what are Protestant sacraments?Originally posted by vince69:hmm...
then there are some differences in term of understanding
on item
(1) no biblical comment
(2) Sacraments have the power to change one's life. But it depends on Christ and not on man. if its to depend on one's worthiness, then no one qualify.
(3) we are encourage to have it as often as possible, but no comdemnation/guilt if you missed it.
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so u guys are hiding in here
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what we normally termed as Holy Communion, is basically the same as Holy Eucharist, though some termed it as the Lord's Supper.Originally posted by ben1xy:hmm... what are Protestant sacraments? -
i had this friend, Singaporean, he is a Korean fanatic, goes church also go the one having services in Korean
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bingo!Originally posted by laurence82:so u guys are hiding in here -
any others?Originally posted by vince69:what we normally termed as Holy Communion, is basically the same as Holy Eucharist, though some termed it as the Lord's Supper. -
ohh.. where's the Korean parish in s'pore?Originally posted by laurence82:i had this friend, Singaporean, he is a Korean fanatic, goes church also go the one having services in Korean
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I believe he is a Prebysterian, they have parish?And upon gaining this little piece of info, my another friend from NCC asked if they use kimchi in place of the breadOriginally posted by ben1xy:ohh.. where's the Korean parish in s'pore?
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..........Originally posted by laurence82:I believe he is a Prebysterian, they have parish?And upon gaining this little piece of info, my another friend from NCC asked if they use kimchi in place of the bread
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Originally posted by ben1xy:..........
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speechlessOriginally posted by laurence82:
u finished all ur assignments liao? -
Haha, ask him to go to the Cathedral of the Good Shepherd..Originally posted by laurence82:i had this friend, Singaporean, he is a Korean fanatic, goes church also go the one having services in Korean
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