Go to church every week
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So is the Eucharist the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ or not?Originally posted by vince69:no worries, just that you suddenly throw a whole bunch of passages at me, make me a bit comprehensive thats all...
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for NCC the answer is yes loh... Unker Vince already stated earlierOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:So is the Eucharist the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ or not? -
help u bring it here in case u missed itOriginally posted by vince69:*** psst: at NCC, we don't teach them as symbolic, but rather in a spiritual sense, literally transformed by the grace of God to be that of the broken Body and shed Blood of Christ. -
hah... we don't use the word Eucharist... we called it Holy Communion...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:So is the Eucharist the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ or not?
Physically? no, the bread is still the bread, the drink (wine) is still as it is..
Spiritually? yes. transformed by the grace of God.
*Note: Not all protestant church holds this view, hence it may differ with other churches.. -
.... so it's still not the real flesh ah?Originally posted by vince69:hah... we don't use the word Eucharist... we called it Holy Communion...
Physically? no, the bread is still the bread, the drink (wine) is still as it is..
Spiritually? yes. transformed by the grace of God.
*Note: Not all protestant church holds this view, hence it may differ with other churches..
haiyah, i misunderstood -
so who uses Lord's Supper?Originally posted by vince69:hah... we don't use the word Eucharist... we called it Holy Communion...
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no, its not a physical transformation, its more like a spiritual transformation in the the changes is at the essence of the element and not the form.Originally posted by ben1xy:.... so it's still not the real flesh ah?
haiyah, i misunderstood
hm... how can I explain this.... next time when you celebrate the Sacrament, look at the bread and the wine (do you use wine or grape juice?), and see if it still look like what it originally is? when its put into your mouth, does it still taste like what it originally is?
even though it may still look and taste as what it originally were, by faith, we know that we are indeed partaking the broken body of Christ and His precious shed blood.
anyway, the Holy Communion to us is an outward sign of an inward grace instituted by Christ. -
not the same as our understanding.Originally posted by ben1xy:.... so it's still not the real flesh ah?
haiyah, i misunderstood -
not really sure of how the Catholic Church view this, can share/compare?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:not the same as our understanding. -
The priest is the representative of Jesus Christ. At the sacrifice of the Mass, God works through the priest and transforms the bread into the body of Christ, and the wine into the blood of Christ. The outward appearances (accidents) do not change, but the substance changes. To the human eye it seems to be a an ordinary piece of bread, but it is not.Originally posted by vince69:not really sure of how the Catholic Church view this, can share/compare? -
The demons craved for Tripitaka's flesh but couldn'[t get it.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:The priest is the representative of Jesus Christ. At the sacrifice of the Mass, God works through the priest and transforms the bread into the body of Christ, and the wine into the blood of Christ. The outward appearances (accidents) do not change, but the substance changes. To the human eye it seems to be a an ordinary piece of bread, but it is not.
You get Jesus' flesh every Sunday.
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"The outward appearances (accidents) do not change, but the substance changes. To the human eye it seems to be a an ordinary piece of bread, but it is not."Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:The priest is the representative of Jesus Christ. At the sacrifice of the Mass, God works through the priest and transforms the bread into the body of Christ, and the wine into the blood of Christ. The outward appearances (accidents) do not change, but the substance changes. To the human eye it seems to be a an ordinary piece of bread, but it is not.
this part, I blurr, sorry.. can explain in a more simple manner? -
does Jesus practise that?Originally posted by Icemoon:Can a gathering of believers administer and receive the sacrament? -
hmm....Originally posted by ventin:does Jesus practise that?
well, this I do not know....
one thing though, Jesus only insituted this once, just before his cruxification and its done in an upper room of someone's house.
btw, back then, the church as we know of it today, does not exist yet. -
Ben,
Jesus said, if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. If your eyes causes yout to sin, gourge it out. Have you done it? -
So Jesus body was literally eaten up and then he reproduced his cells to go to the cross?
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Wrong!!Originally posted by Icemoon:The demons craved for Tripitaka's flesh but couldn'[t get it.
You get Jesus' flesh every Sunday.
You can get it everyday!!! -
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go read up wikipedia.... its quite satisfactory in explaining..Originally posted by vince69:"The outward appearances (accidents) do not change, but the substance changes. To the human eye it seems to be a an ordinary piece of bread, but it is not."
this part, I blurr, sorry.. can explain in a more simple manner?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation -
everyday got eucharist one?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Wrong!!
You can get it everyday!!! -
It's called the sacrifice of the mass right?
the priest is sacrificing Jesus IN AN UNBLOODY WAY...right? -
somehow ironside and ventin can be xuang ming er lao.
sgmacross better be the young zhang wuji. -
everyday you got eucharist..........so everyday you are sacrificing the Lord Jesus IN AN UNBLOODY WAY NOT PHYSICALLY BUT SPIRIUTALLY IT IS A REAL SACRIFICE over and over again right?
SO ARE YOU ADMITTING MY FRIEND THAT EVERYDAY YOUR PRIESTS PUT TO DEATH THE LORD JESUS OVER AND OVER AGAIN?
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. -
The only rule seems to be "do this in remembrance of me".Originally posted by vince69:hmm....
well, this I do not know....
one thing though, Jesus only insituted this once, just before his cruxification and its done in an upper room of someone's house.
btw, back then, the church as we know of it today, does not exist yet.
why don't Christians do it during meal time leh? -
KSM?