Go to church every week
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Though I don't agree with some of the charismatic teachings .. but I can see they are enjoying whatever they are doing in church.Originally posted by M©+square:I give them the benefit of doubt that they are sincere people.
When you are able to tell me, 'there's something which i don't understand about these youngsters attending this church. I just feel that they are different from the rest(of the duty-going church goers), and they really make me feel...that they are really enjoy their beliefs'.
Then.....i know it's beyond your statement above liao.
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looking at biblical principles.Originally posted by M©+square:Looking at Tradition and formality wise? -
Interesting, (digress abit)Originally posted by Icemoon:Though I don't agree with some of the charismatic teachings .. but I can see they are enjoying whatever they are doing in church.
Thus I feel it is somehow an insult to say they go there because of duty.
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err .. erm .. well ..Originally posted by M©+square:Interesting, (digress abit)
What do you agree in the Charismatic teachings?
I dunno leh.
But you can see I do agree with some of Pastor Prince's view on things. Your bona fide true blue charismatic. -
What are the 'some' Lah.....Originally posted by Icemoon:err .. erm .. well ..
I dunno leh.
But you can see I do agree with some of Pastor Prince's view on things. Your bona fide true blue charismatic. -
at least he is not si2 ban3. his sermons are good for everyday living.Originally posted by M©+square:What are the 'some' Lah.....
remember the eating discussion? what was it that he said, according to vince? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:at least he is not si2 ban3. his sermons are good for everyday living.
remember the eating discussion? what was it that he said, according to vince?
That's not Charismatic teachings....
what you've stated wasOriginally posted by Icemoon:Though I don't agree with some of the charismatic teachings .. -
Biblically?Originally posted by Icemoon:Can a gathering of believers administer and receive the sacrament?
There is only one requirement when administrating the Holy Communion (that I know off), that which is... "do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19; read from verse 7 - 20 and also 1Cor 11:17-34)
but some may argue that it have to have the present of Christ (ie. church setting) then can administer the Holy Communion (ie. The Lord's supper).
Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
a statement made my our Lord Jesus, and my simple faith says, He meant what He said...
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so who can administer the sacrament?Originally posted by vince69:Biblically?
There is only one requirement when administrating the Holy Communion (that I know off), that which is... "do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19; read from verse 7 - 20 and also 1Cor 11:17-34)
but some may argue that it have to have the present of Christ (ie. church setting) then can administer the Holy Communion (ie. The Lord's supper).
Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
a statement made my our Lord Jesus, and my simple faith says, He meant what He said... -
what am I going to say?Originally posted by M©+square:
those I agree, those I disagree? -
Don't have to say disagree la.Originally posted by Icemoon:what am I going to say?
those I agree, those I disagree?
Only list afew of 'Joseph Prince's' teachings whch you agree lor. -
the one who were called to priesthood...Originally posted by Icemoon:so who can administer the sacrament?
you go figure out, biblically, who are those called to priesthood (in the christian biblical context). *think what is the qualifications/criterias...
** different churches will have a different definition on this... -
definitely not milo or horlicks for sacrament.Originally posted by M©+square:Don't have to say disagree la.
Only list afew of 'Joseph Prince's' teachings whch you agree lor. -
priesthood of all believers .. hmm ..Originally posted by vince69:the one who were called to priesthood...
you go figure out, biblically, who are those called to priesthood (in the christian biblical context). *think what is the qualifications/criterias...
** different churches will have a different definition on this... -
I wonder what is the protestant definition of 'sacrament'...
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If god is all powerful, why will he still need ppl to worship him and pray to him? Maybe that is to boost his ego?
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hello unker vinceOriginally posted by vince69:Biblically?
There is only one requirement when administrating the Holy Communion (that I know off), that which is... "do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19; read from verse 7 - 20 and also 1Cor 11:17-34)
but some may argue that it have to have the present of Christ (ie. church setting) then can administer the Holy Communion (ie. The Lord's supper).
Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
a statement made my our Lord Jesus, and my simple faith says, He meant what He said...
then can u explain these verses to me
"‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’" (John 6:51–52).
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).
"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16)
22As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread and asked God's blessing on it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take it, for this is my body."
23And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. 24And he said to them, "This is my blood, poured out for many, sealing the covenant[d] between God and his people. 25I solemnly declare that I will not drink wine again until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God." 26Then they sang a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives.
- Mark 14: 22-26
As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread and asked God's blessing on it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take it and eat it, for this is my body." 27And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said, "Each of you drink from it, 28for this is my blood, which seals the covenant[c] between God and his people. It is poured out to forgive the sins of many. 29Mark my words--I will not drink wine again until the day I drink it new with you in my Father's Kingdom." 30Then they sang a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives.
Matthew 26: 26-30
Can i ask, why do people choose to only look at Luke and not the rest? just looking at MArk and MAtthew would have validated that Christ is truely present and not just symbolic -
err... BenOriginally posted by ben1xy:Can i ask, why do people choose to only look at Luke and not the rest? just looking at MArk and MAtthew would have validated that Christ is truely present and not just symbolic
the response is to the question
and not about the question on whether the Christ is present or if its just symbolic?Originally posted by Icemoon:Can a gathering of believers administer and receive the sacrament?
also I did address this part on whether Christ is present or not, show using Matthew 18:20, that He is indeed present in the gathering.
btw, the passage in Luke 22 and 1Cor 11 that I quoted
The exact word used when administrating the elements, were, ... This is My Body broken for you .... again This is My Blood shed for the forgiveness of sins....
no where was it said its symbolic.
*** psst: at NCC, we don't teach them as symbolic, but rather in a spiritual sense, literally transformed by the grace of God to be that of the broken Body and shed Blood of Christ. -
ohh! so Christ is truely present in the Host?
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oh!!Originally posted by vince69:*** psst: at NCC, we don't teach them as symbolic, but rather in a spiritual sense, literally transformed by the grace of God to be that of the broken Body and shed Blood of Christ.
wow!!
cool!
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no worries, just that you suddenly throw a whole bunch of passages at me, make me a bit comprehensive thats all...Originally posted by ben1xy:i know lah ... juz asking, since it came out. it has always intruiged me -
for once i agree with New Creation
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tsk... i soo friendly, dun worry lahOriginally posted by vince69:no worries, just that you suddenly throw a whole bunch of passages at me, make me a bit comprehensive thats all... 
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You are right.Originally posted by vince69:no worries, just that you suddenly throw a whole bunch of passages at me, make me a bit comprehensive thats all...
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Originally posted by Icemoon:You are right.
We won't even survive to the base camp.