wad caused the 'breakaway'?

• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 16:06

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  But Jesus is also God the Son what.
  
  Jesus before and after the resurrection is still God. After resurrection He is in a glorified state.

  Let me ask you some questions:
  
  1. How did Jesus look like during the time of Abraham?
  2. How will Jesus look like if you see Him next time?
  
  
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 16:07

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  I have to emphasize that this is not any heresy.
  
  Those heresies arise because they created a false dichotomy. Either He is God or He is Man.
  
  Why didn't they use the term God incarnate leh?

  Christ is both God and Man, correct or not?
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 16:12

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Let me ask you some questions:
  
  1. How did Jesus look like during the time of Abraham?
  2. How will Jesus look like if you see Him next time?
  
  

  do we even know what he looks like?
  
  
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 16:30

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  do we even know what he looks like?
  
  

  Actually the question is .. will He look the same?
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 16:32

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Christ is both God and Man, correct or not?

  Correct.
  
  So it is a heresy to say the one in the womb is God.
• forfun_cash

  11 Sep 06, 16:42

  because god has nv shown himself.
  if he does it, there would be world peace.
  but then again, god doesnt exist in the first place.
• davidche

  11 Sep 06, 18:25

  Originally posted by forfun_cash:

  because god has nv shown himself.
  if he does it, there would be world peace.
  but then again, god doesnt exist in the first place.

  Word of advise:
  Use your brains even if it is limited.
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 19:44

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Correct.
  
  So it is a heresy to say the one in the womb is God.

  Then the one in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary is only a Man?
  
  
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 19:46

  Ask you ah.
  
  How many natures does Jesus have?
  
  How many persons does Jesus have?
• ben1xy

  11 Sep 06, 19:56

  how come Mary topic come up again
  
  Icey
  
  2 questions
  
  1. How can Mary be carrying only a human nature and not a person?
  
  2. Did not John the Baptist leap in Elizabeth's womb when he saw Mary?
  
  Therefore since Mary carried the person of Jesus and gave birth to Jesus our God. i dun see any problem
  
  SgMac, dunno if u r familiar, but u can search up using 'Theotokos' as a search word for more teachings on Mary
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 20:22

  Originally posted by ben1xy:
  how come Mary topic come up again
  
  Icey
  
  2 questions
  
  1. How can Mary be carrying only a human nature and not a person?
  
  2. Did not John the Baptist leap in Elizabeth's womb when he saw Mary?
  
  Therefore since Mary carried the [b]person of Jesus and gave birth to Jesus our God. i dun see any problem
  
  SgMac, dunno if u r familiar, but u can search up using 'Theotokos' as a search word for more teachings on Mary[/b]

  the article on Nestorianism does mention 'Theotokos'....
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 21:07

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Then the one in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary is only a Man?
  
  

  God incarnate.
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 21:08

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Ask you ah.
  
  How many natures does Jesus have?
  
  How many persons does Jesus have?

  2 natures. 1 person.
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 21:19

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  God incarnate.

  Is the God incarnate not God and Man?
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 22:28

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Is the God incarnate not God and Man?

  The God incarnate is God and Man.
  
  The Logos became Man and dwelled among us. So there must be a time in history the Logos is not Man.
  
  
• SingaporeMacross

  11 Sep 06, 23:42

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  The God incarnate is God and Man.
  
  The Logos became Man and dwelled among us. So there must be a time in history the Logos is not Man.
  
  

  Ah. That's right.
  
  So coming back to the first point: How come Mary is not the Mother of God?
  
  She's not the Mother of God the Father, but She is Mother of God the Son.
• Icemoon

  11 Sep 06, 23:52

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Ah. That's right.
  
  So coming back to the first point: How come Mary is not the Mother of God?
  
  She's not the Mother of God the Father, but She is Mother of God the Son.

  I'm not sure how God the Son is used scripturally, so I can't comment. I do have problems with labels like Son of Man, Son of God etc.
  
  All I know is .. Jesus Christ is eternally begotten of the Father and Mary is mother of God Incarnate.
  
  Now you have to agree, God was never eternally God Incarnate.
  
• SingaporeMacross

  12 Sep 06, 00:14

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Now you have to agree, God was never eternally God Incarnate.
  

  of course, but i'm sticking with my view that Mary is the Mother of God. If I don't believe in that, my daily rosary is a lie.
• Icemoon

  12 Sep 06, 00:25

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  of course, but i'm sticking with my view that Mary is the Mother of God. If I don't believe in that, my daily rosary is a lie.

  IMHO, that view is akin to shooting yourself on the foot.
  
  You just generate more questions than answers.
  
  
• SingaporeMacross

  12 Sep 06, 00:28

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  IMHO, that view is akin to shooting yourself on the foot.
  
  You just generate more questions than answers.
  
  

  bleah!
• Icemoon

  12 Sep 06, 00:30

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  bleah!

  you kenna left right up down .. what for?
  
  For me, I make a distinction between God and God Incarnate. Certainly there are things God Incarnate cannot do.
  
  For example .. can the God Incarnate survive a crucification? Cannot right?
• despondent

  12 Sep 06, 22:39

  Matthew 1:16
  and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
  Joseph = Husband of Mary
  => Joseph = Husband of the Mother of God
  => Joseph = father or step-father of God ????? does this make sense? doubt so right?
  
  how about James
  Galatians 1:19
  I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother
  James = The Lord's brother,
  => James = God's brother? ???? does this make sense? doubt so right?
  
  hence I can only conclude that its not wise to use mathematical method as such to explain relationships.
  
  i must say tat vince69 have managed to explain the problem wif using mathematical equations to describe biblical issues...can the catholics explain the equations vince came up wif? u tink its biblical?

• vince69

  12 Sep 06, 22:43

  Originally posted by despondent:

  hmm.... and myself is trying to show mathematical methods is not the correct approach to use...
• despondent

  12 Sep 06, 22:50

  vince i tink u misunderstood me...i mean tat i agree wif u tat mathematical equations cun be used to explain biblical stuff...tats y i am asking the catholics to explain those u came up wif...wanna see how they able to explain...
• vince69

  12 Sep 06, 22:54

  Originally posted by despondent:

  vince i tink u misunderstood me...i mean tat i agree wif u tat mathematical equations cun be used to explain biblical stuff...tats y i am asking the catholics to explain those u came up wif...wanna see how they able to explain...

  oh... oops..
  
  sorry...