Your Calling!
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Would like to know how to know if God is calling you into a certain area of ministry? hmmm.....i wonder if its the same as how would i know if God is talking to me.
Wat are the signs & messages that one would receive? or is it purely by faith & conviction? -
u're a christian and u dunno. my godOriginally posted by babyys:Would like to know how to know if God is calling you into a certain area of ministry? hmmm.....i wonder if its the same as how would i know if God is talking to me.
Wat are the signs & messages that one would receive? or is it purely by faith & conviction? -
your house will rock.
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Actually, we are saved to minister my friend. A christian is a minister. Our ministries vary though. How do we know the particular ministry God has called us unto?Originally posted by babyys:Would like to know how to know if God is calling you into a certain area of ministry? hmmm.....i wonder if its the same as how would i know if God is talking to me.
Wat are the signs & messages that one would receive? or is it purely by faith & conviction?
it is determined by your spiritual gifts. What your gifts is or are, determines your ministry in the body of Christ.
First you must know the gifts available [Study Romans 12, 1 Cori. 12]
Second, give your time trying on these gifts. Do them and you will realize what particular area or activity you are good at through the results and the comment of others in the church.
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Not necessary.Originally posted by Ironside:[note: spiritual gifts are different from talents]
I would not discount spiritual gifts from the possibity of being 'sanctified' talents. (which i believe is of the case most of the time) -
sis,Originally posted by babyys:Would like to know how to know if God is calling you into a certain area of ministry? hmmm.....i wonder if its the same as how would i know if God is talking to me.
Wat are the signs & messages that one would receive? or is it purely by faith & conviction?
its quite easy to find your calling, 2 main criteria for chosing a ministry, you must have the desire, and you will already have the ability to serve there.
reason is very simple, If its God's calling for you to serve in that ministry, He will have given you the skills/talents to do it, and also the desire to serve there as well.
(ps. never serve in a ministry just because of guilt or peer pressure)
hope this answer your question.
God bless.
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actually, the lists in 1 cor. 12 and Romans 12, Ephesians 4:11 and 1 Peter 4:10 are not talents. No man [unsaved] on earth has anything like that. It comes from the Holy Spirit at salvation. They never had these gifts before they were saved.Originally posted by Mystix:Not necessary.
I would not discount spiritual gifts from the possibity of being 'sanctified' talents. (which i believe is of the case most of the time) -
and yes, as brother vince also states, desire also counts.
but be careful that these desires are really from the Spirit for the flesh in us could desire also.
many Christians who are obviously not called into the teaching and preaching ministry [for they had no gifts obvious to himelf and others] desire the pulpit ministry.
They desird the 'sensational' ministries. But these guys would have been wonderful counselors and encouragers since it is pretty clear and obvious that they were so gifted by the Spirit for this kind of ministry [one to one ministry], but carnal and fleshly desire was mistaken for God's.
be discerning. -
I guess it boils down to what you would define spiritual gifts as.Originally posted by Ironside:actually, the lists in 1 cor. 12 and Romans 12, Ephesians 4:11 and 1 Peter 4:10 are not talents. No man [unsaved] on earth has anything like that. It comes from the Holy Spirit at salvation. They never had these gifts before they were saved.
Perhaps our thinking of spiritual gifts these days in the church today has become all too shallow.
We know that spiritual gifts come from the Holy Spirit.
But the overemphasis of thinking God gives Christians gifts that seemed they were incapable of before conversion has blinded most of us to the fact that very often the most significant gifts in the church's life (preaching, teaching, leadership etc) are ordinary natural abilities sanctified.
We tend to think of spiritual gifts in terms of "giftedness" or of supernatural novelty and we have neglected the Christ oriented perspective of defining them in terms of Christ the head of the body working thru us in our midst.
Paul asserts that the use of gifts edifies the body of Christ.
Therefore they should be defined in terms of Christ, as actualized powers of expressing, celebrating, displaying and so communicating Christ in one way or another, either by word or by deed. (J.I Packer, Keeping in Step with the Spirit) -
wahhOriginally posted by Mystix:I guess it boils down to what you would define spiritual gifts as.
Perhaps our thinking of spiritual gifts these days in the church today has become all too shallow.
We know that spiritual gifts come from the Holy Spirit.
But the overemphasis of thinking God gives Christians gifts that seemed they were incapable of before conversion has blinded most of us to the fact that very often the most significant gifts in the church's life (preaching, teaching, leadership etc) are ordinary natural abilities sanctified.
We tend to think of spiritual gifts in terms of "giftedness" or of supernatural novelty and we have neglected the Christ oriented perspective of defining them in terms of Christ the head of the body working thru us in our midst.
Paul asserts that the use of gifts edifies the body of Christ.
Therefore they should be defined in terms of Christ, as actualized powers of expressing, celebrating, displaying and so communicating Christ in one way or another, either by word or by deed. (J.I Packer, Keeping in Step with the Spirit)
wait wait.. dun go into theological debate first!! help the poor girl understand her calling! then debate over spiritual gifts -
i wondered across a few ministries, anyway it's good to have more exposure... even if it comes to nothing, at least u get to know more people in church. but i realised i am most effective among teenagers. so that's why i am mostly working with the youthsOriginally posted by babyys:Would like to know how to know if God is calling you into a certain area of ministry? hmmm.....i wonder if its the same as how would i know if God is talking to me.
Wat are the signs & messages that one would receive? or is it purely by faith & conviction? -
Vince summed it up very nicely.Originally posted by ben1xy:wahh
wait wait.. dun go into theological debate first!! help the poor girl understand her calling! then debate over spiritual gifts
Another thing to add would be to maybe try out first in different ministries.
Sometimes we contemplate too much and forget that the best measure is still actually to start doing it. You never know if u may have a particular gifting unless u try. -
i definitely agree with thisOriginally posted by Mystix:Vince summed it up very nicely.
Another thing to add would be to maybe try out first in different ministries.
Sometimes we contempate too much and forget that the best measure is still actually start doing it. You never know if u may have a particular gifting unless u try. -
Reformed vs. Evangelical.Originally posted by Mystix:I guess it boils down to what you would define spiritual gifts as.
Perhaps our thinking of spiritual gifts these days in the church today has become all too shallow.
We know that spiritual gifts come from the Holy Spirit.
But the overemphasis of thinking God gives Christians gifts that seemed they were incapable of before conversion has blinded most of us to the fact that very often the most significant gifts in the church's life (preaching, teaching, leadership etc) are ordinary natural abilities sanctified.
We tend to think of spiritual gifts in terms of "giftedness" or of supernatural novelty and we have neglected the Christ oriented perspective of defining them in terms of Christ the head of the body working thru us in our midst.
Paul asserts that the use of gifts edifies the body of Christ.
Therefore they should be defined in terms of Christ, as actualized powers of expressing, celebrating, displaying and so communicating Christ in one way or another, either by word or by deed. (J.I Packer, Keeping in Step with the Spirit)
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Have you tried MOS? I think it is at Clarke Quay.Originally posted by ben1xy:i wondered across a few ministries, anyway it's good to have more exposure... even if it comes to nothing, at least u get to know more people in church. but i realised i am most effective among teenagers. so that's why i am mostly working with the youths -
the one at clark quay? nope...Originally posted by Icemoon:Have you tried MOS? I think it is at Clarke Quay.
if talking about the one in church,
I had served in it before, the Tech ministry (which include the sound team and video crew)
actually true, me also been involved in many christian ministries before (bith church based and non church based), now settling down in one (or maybe two). -
what are examples of non church based ministries?Originally posted by vince69:the one at clark quay? nope...
if talking about the one in church,
I had served in it before, the Tech ministry (which include the sound team and video crew)
actually true, me also been involved in many christian ministries before (bith church based and non church based), now settling down in one (or maybe two). -
non-church based ministeries are those that are organised privately, by the own accord of the believers.Originally posted by Icemoon:what are examples of non church based ministries?
for example: like Bible study group, need not be church based, a few friends from different churches can also organise one (not sure if the one one Ben is setting up falls into this category), a charity event to minister to others (like visit to old folks home ...etc, can also be organised in this manner).
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post edifying articles in EH counted?Originally posted by vince69:non-church based ministeries are those that are organised privately, by the own accord of the believers.
for example: like Bible study group, need not be church based, a few friends from different churches can also organise one (not sure if the one one Ben is setting up falls into this category), a charity event to minister to others (like visit to old folks home ...etc, can also be organised in this manner).
*edit to correct spelling error
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different people will have different view on this, my personal view is that if its edifying, if its build up and encourage another person, and the right attitude, its a ministry on its own.Originally posted by Icemoon:post edifying articles in EH counted? -
And u have a problem wz that? I am as human as u are & i am also seeking answers.Originally posted by skyfoo:u're a christian and u dunno. my god -
Hahaha.....i wish it would be that clear!Originally posted by twiggies:your house will rock. -
Amen. i could not agree any better.Originally posted by Mystix:I guess it boils down to what you would define spiritual gifts as.
Perhaps our thinking of spiritual gifts these days in the church today has become all too shallow.
We know that spiritual gifts come from the Holy Spirit.
But the overemphasis of thinking God gives Christians gifts that seemed they were incapable of before conversion has blinded most of us to the fact that very often the most significant gifts in the church's life (preaching, teaching, leadership etc) are ordinary natural abilities sanctified.
We tend to think of spiritual gifts in terms of "giftedness" or of supernatural novelty and we have neglected the Christ oriented perspective of defining them in terms of Christ the head of the body working thru us in our midst.
Paul asserts that the use of gifts edifies the body of Christ.
Therefore they should be defined in terms of Christ, as actualized powers of expressing, celebrating, displaying and so communicating Christ in one way or another, either by word or by deed. (J.I Packer, Keeping in Step with the Spirit)
Christ is our head. We are members of Him. Paul used the analogy of the body in Cor. We do not have the same function in the body of Christ. Some of us are teachers [mouths] some are hands [helps] and etc. But it is not we who will chose our gifts. The Holy Spirit sovereignly gives each one of us as He wills.
Discerning Spirits--- obviously no Christian has this supernatural ability before his conversion.
Speaking in toungues--obviously no Christian has this supernatural ability before conversion
TEaching the Word--- is another. Though one may be a teacher in school trained in education and all that. Here comes one man who does not have any training in secular schools about how to teach and yet when both of them teach in Church, the congregation is just blessed with the latter individual so differently than the first.
The congregation marverls: WAW!!! BROTHER SO AND SO TEACHES JUST SO DIFFERENTLY, THERE'S JUST AN X-FACTOR IN HIM..
D.L. MOODY WAS NO GREAT SPEAKER. HE WAS NO ORATOR. BUT HE WAS GIFTED BY THE SPIRIT AS AN EVANGELIST [THIS GIFT DID NOT COME TO HIM BEFORE CONVERSION]..
One guy after hearing Moody preach said: "he is just an ordinary preacher..no different than others"
One replied: "Yes, BUT he wins souls."
Evangelism wrought in the power of the Holy Spirit through a man He gifts with evangelism. -
i don't see any VERSUS in our posts.Originally posted by Icemoon:Reformed vs. Evangelical.
Interesting.
from the way i understand it. we agree. -
This is where i am confused. I love music & i know i have a talent for music. eg....i have been involved in church dramas, choirs etc...
However, people are also drawn to me. Whenever they need a listening ear, i am there. Even the advise i give would be pretty sound i guess! I am begining to believe i am a natural at it. So now i am wondering am i also cut out to be in the counselling ministry?
My setback is i am not a professional in this area. eg. certifications etc etc....
Oh & does your ministry necessasarily have to be within the 4 walls of the church?