Was adam made to be perfect?
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That means god isnt omnipotent tooOriginally posted by Icemoon:I dunno.
But if you think the punishment for Adam, Eve and the poor serpent was too harsh .. then maybe god was trying to fix the rebels before he entered the garden .. so god was emotional when he melted out the punishment.
maybe the rebels used sheng1 dong1 ji1 xi1 strategy .. so while god was away a minon possessed a serpent and tempted Eve. So when god came back .. too late! -
ohh...yah, my questions are intended to invoke thinking...not flaming...
thanks all.
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The bible is book to some.Originally posted by Icemoon:Haha .. the bible is a book also right?
I feel one should adopt the attitude of a good student - fan3 fu4 si1 kao3.
sorry .. what is the best english translation for si1 kao3? I think the chinese word explains very well.
Is Rhema to others.
Si Kao-
Give thoughts.
Ponder over.
Study.
Research.
Reflect -
si kaoOriginally posted by Icemoon:Haha .. the bible is a book also right?
I feel one should adopt the attitude of a good student - fan3 fu4 si1 kao3.
sorry .. what is the best english translation for si1 kao3? I think the chinese word explains very well.
to reflect or self reflection -
hmm .. but Genesis did say god entered the garden and the first couple heard his footsteps.Originally posted by nightzip:huh?? And I thought God is omni-present....everywhere and all knowing?
So God also have emotions? as in he gets angry, sad, happy, etc...so when you speak to him in his good mood he address your problem better, and if he bad mood, he wont listen to your prayers? 
That god's emotions affected his decision is just my conjecture .. anyway god can be very angry and his punishments can be quite harsh sometimes. It leads you to wonder whether the victims deserve them. -
no!! si kao is ponder.Originally posted by laurence82:si kao
to reflect or self reflection
reflect is fan3 xing3 -
Si is the thinking part.Originally posted by M©+square:The bible is book to some.
Is Rhema to others.
Si Kao-
Give thoughts.
Ponder over.
Study.
Research.
Reflect
then kao leh? deciding part? or does it mean something like check? like kao3 zheng4 with regards to historical events.
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well, at least we learnt some chinese words here.
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ho seh .. I will use more chinese words in my reply to you next time.Originally posted by davidche:no!! si kao is ponder.
reflect is fan3 xing3 -
oh i see
i have been talking to a clone all these while -
hey, icemoon isnt a christian ok??Originally posted by nightzip:huh?? And I thought God is omni-present....everywhere and all knowing?
So God also have emotions? as in he gets angry, sad, happy, etc...so when you speak to him in his good mood he address your problem better, and if he bad mood, he wont listen to your prayers? -
the events do not contradict an omnipotent possibility you know?Originally posted by laurence82:That means god isnt omnipotent too
I believe God purposely let the first couple shou shi4 tan4, ie. temptation. So when He came in He kei xiao one.
It is like playing with a toddler. You see the child hiding the toy or sweet behind him. So you ask him, "where is the sweet?" Of course you know where is the sweet! -
ok so the problems r:
Did god create satan and demons and diseases?
Well i see these chapters in the book already. Will read it tmr and try to ans.
Meanwhile anyone hu has answers can also help me.
thanks and happy chatting with icemoon mc2 and lawrence!! -
Ah .. oh wellOriginally posted by davidche:hey, icemoon isnt a christian ok?? -
God also like to kei xiao?Originally posted by Icemoon:I believe God purposely let the first couple shou shi4 tan4, ie. temptation. So when He came in He kei xiao one. 
This thread is getting funnier by the day. -
How come suddenly abt the scene in the Garden? I tot you were referring to the scene before the garden, where the snake already got to Adam and Eve before god came back?Originally posted by Icemoon:the events do not contradict an omnipotent possibility you know?
I believe God purposely let the first couple shou shi4 tan4, ie. temptation. So when He came in He kei xiao one.
It is like playing with a toddler. You see the child hiding the toy or sweet behind him. So you ask him, "where is the sweet?" Of course you know where is the sweet! -
Genesis 3:Originally posted by nightzip:God also like to kei xiao?
This thread is getting funnier by the day. 8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, ‘Where are you?’ 10He said, ‘I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.’ 11He said, ‘Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?’
1. You mean God dunno where is Adam? For a God who knows the hairs on your head .. He dunno where is Adam in His own garden??
2. If God is omniscent .. how can He not know whether Adam has eaten the fruit? Note we are not even talking about foreknowledge here 'cos Adam has eaten the fruit. -
Hmm .. maybe I have sidetracked.Originally posted by laurence82:How come suddenly abt the scene in the Garden? I tot you were referring to the scene before the garden, where the snake already got to Adam and Eve before god came back?
Anyway if the rebellion happened before the temptation .. then god should have the mind to reallize the rebels will try to harm the first couple. god didn't even send bodyguards?
here is another conjecture - if the serpent is the good old Lucifer .. no bodyguards can stop him. maybe all the bodyguards (cherubim, seraphim, angels) die liao. -
hmm.. can an angel perish?Originally posted by Icemoon:Hmm .. maybe I have sidetracked.
Anyway if the rebellion happened before the temptation .. then god should have the mind to reallize the rebels will try to harm the first couple. god didn't even send bodyguards?
here is another conjecture - if the serpent is the good old Lucifer .. no bodyguards can stop him. maybe all the bodyguards (cherubim, seraphim, angels) die liao.
i dun think anyone can answer that bah? -
Can bah. or else I dunno how Archangel Michael fights his wars ..Originally posted by ben1xy:hmm.. can an angel perish?
i dun think anyone can answer that bah? -
oh yah .. i nv thought of that. good pointOriginally posted by Icemoon:Can bah. or else I dunno how Archangel Michael fights his wars .. -
Isnt god omnipotent as well as omnipresent?Originally posted by Icemoon:Hmm .. maybe I have sidetracked.
Anyway if the rebellion happened before the temptation .. then god should have the mind to reallize the rebels will try to harm the first couple. god didn't even send bodyguards?
here is another conjecture - if the serpent is the good old Lucifer .. no bodyguards can stop him. maybe all the bodyguards (cherubim, seraphim, angels) die liao.
Another question
Why didnt he destroy Satan, or he didnt realise that Satan could harm the First Couple? -
take a look at my post in the other thread that got labelled as BSOriginally posted by laurence82:Isnt god omnipotent as well as omnipresent?
Another question
Why didnt he destroy Satan, or he didnt realise that Satan could harm the First Couple? -
so u reckon if a spirit or angel perishes, it'll be a state of nothingness?Originally posted by Icemoon:Can bah. or else I dunno how Archangel Michael fights his wars .. -
Wah, can point me to it?Originally posted by ben1xy:take a look at my post in the other thread that got labelled as BS
I am nearly blinded by all those posts liao