Why couldn't God forgive Adam?
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but you don't behave like a top student leh.Originally posted by davidche:second choice!
so its no sinful nature, but ability to choose to sin.
hey im not as stupid as you think you know!
God gave me a good brain that i cld go to the top class of my school. -
Apperently, you stated the first one in your earlier post.Originally posted by davidche:second choice!
so its no sinful nature, but ability to choose to sin.
hey im not as stupid as you think you know!
God gave me a good brain that i cld go to the top class of my school.
And apparently, there are Christians who also thought Adam was created imperfect.
So much for having good brains.
There are still many which Christians have to give serious thoughts about. -
where is MC? He siam liao?Originally posted by laurence82:Meaning Christ isnt God
The holy trinity is really a pantheon of three gods? -
Meaning Adam wasnt made perfect in the first place, and he was made in the image of god?Originally posted by davidche:ya loh, which is y i say sinful nature is a better word.
Notwithstanding, if he wasnt perfect, taking the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge is a natural thing for a person who isnt perfect to do.
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Which is also why i also said 'Light defects or defects' are inappropriate words.Originally posted by davidche:ya loh, which is y i say sinful nature is a better word.
Weaknesses is the correct term. -
I'm just interested in David.Originally posted by Icemoon:where is MC? He siam liao? -
Coz no Christians could answer my question
I am used to it for the past...*looks at join date*, three years? -
haha
but you don't behave like a top student leh.
ha, well thats wad u think. and my school isnt very good but i believe its the school that God has put me in. -
use sinful nature as the unit not perfect.Originally posted by laurence82:Meaning Adam wasnt made perfect in the first place, and he was made in the image of god?
Notwithstanding, if he wasnt perfect, taking the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge is a natural thing for a person who isnt perfect to do.
and hu knows wad god meant by image. is it the physical image??
Also, I cant answer all your question cos im not God. But i can answer your question by answering that i cant answer can i? -
Yes, and when you happen to fail in life.Originally posted by davidche:haha
ha, well thats wad u think. and my school isnt very good but i believe its the school that God has put me in.
You should believe God placed you in that situation.
And i have yet to speak about sicknesses and diseases. -
Image = image.Originally posted by davidche:use sinful nature as the unit not perfect.
and hu knows wad god meant by image. is it the physical image??
Also, I cant answer all your question cos im not God. But i can answer your question by answering that i cant answer can i?
The LIKENESS of God.
God created Adam like Him. So from Adam, you can actually figure out how God looks like.
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This is very interestingOriginally posted by davidche:use sinful nature as the unit not perfect.
and hu knows wad god meant by image. is it the physical image??
Also, I cant answer all your question cos im not God. But i can answer your question by answering that i cant answer can i?
On one hand you told us its not ok to believe in people who said they know everything but declare that they are not god, and now you want people to believe this chap who called himself son of god and yet do not provide the answers? -
Perhaps God created the 4 appocolapyse....and one of them is disease...
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of course he did! and change your mindset another way round. God wants you to learn. So come to think of it, is a failure in life really a bad thing if thru that you can learn and mature?Originally posted by M©+square:Yes, and when you happen to fail in life.
You should believe God placed you in that situation.
And i have yet to speak about sicknesses and diseases.
You ppl always think of having this low tides as a 'bad' thing just becos it makes YOU unhappy. wads the opp. of subjective?
talking about sickness, well, i dont have the ans for that.
and defects, i have the ans for lighter defects. -
Take me for example. God didnt give me such a smooth route of my life.
And this has made me to thirst for the wisdom of God and made me more zhui qiu2 for Christianity. I believe few ppl in my age is able or will even bother to debate in the topic of Christianity. -
For the able part, oh my godOriginally posted by davidche:Take me for example. God didnt give me such a smooth route of my life.
And this has made me to thirst for the wisdom of God and made me more zhui qiu2 for Christianity. I believe few ppl in my age is able or will even bother to debate in the topic of Christianity.
For the will part, thank god -
its good for you David. And there are many thinkers in Eternal Hope that you can engage in in intellectual debate in Christianity.
I dont know if there are any scholars here on Christianity. But debating here beats just agreeing with your pastors' preaches, and certain grey areas in the bible, i think. At least through debating and discussion, one gains insight. -
I totally disagreeOriginally posted by nightzip:its good for you David. And there are many thinkers in Eternal Hope that you can engage in in intellectual debate in Christianity.
I dont know if there are any scholars here on Christianity. But debating here beats just agreeing with your pastors' preaches, and certain grey areas in the bible, i think. At least through debating and discussion, one gains insight.
I think I learnt more about clones and flawed logic from here than about Christianity
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yup, perhaps....this might lead to disillusionment and distortion...
so maybe by putting all these queries to the church/father that you go to, more in depth explanation will be given to you, and thats how you will learn.
Something similar as a subject in school...its only through students asking students, creating doubts etc, and then verifying with the teacher, do you get a higher/more in depth level of understanding...that what's happening to those better schools like RI, VS, CHS, etc....rather than the teacher say what i just take it... -
I totally agree!!! Can help me learn alot of things. And leave me with things to ponder at the end of it. And can make friends and know each other better.Originally posted by nightzip:its good for you David. And there are many thinkers in Eternal Hope that you can engage in in intellectual debate in Christianity.
I dont know if there are any scholars here on Christianity. But debating here beats just agreeing with your pastors' preaches, and certain grey areas in the bible, i think. At least through debating and discussion, one gains insight.
thx mc2!!
no thx to lawrence for accusing me of being a clone -
since when i accuse you of being a clone?Originally posted by davidche:I totally agree!!! Can help me learn alot of things. And leave me with things to ponder at the end of it. And can make friends and know each other better.
thx mc2!!
no thx to lawrence for accusing me of being a clone
pls refer me to the exact post -
Adam was made in the image of God. He was not God. You see the mirror, u see your image, but that image is not you. So to assume that he has all the qualities of God is not right just becos he was made in the image of God.
He was perfect and good in God's eyes. What was the idea of perfection then and what our idea of perfection now could be different. We may think perfection means basically the person WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER do wrong becos he IS PERFECT and CANNOT DO WRONG by design.
But when God sees ADAM as PERFECT, His idea of PERFECTION was not that. Adam was perfect not by our own standards but BY HIS STANDARDS. And His standard include giving ADAM a free will. A free will is not complete if it doesnt include the ability to choose the wrong thing.
Who is to blame for Adam choosing to eat the wrong apple?
Was God wrong? Nope. God did not force him to eat the apple.
Was Eve wrong? Nope, she merely gave the apple to Adam.
Was the serpent wrong? Nope, it merely gave Eve another perspective to the apple
When EVE ate the apple, it is becos "the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it" (Gen 3:6) She then gave it to Adam who ate it.
From the beginning till end, no one forced Adam to eat the apple. Thoughts and Desires came into him as with free will. All I can say and I believe is that Adam and Eve sinned becos they entertained the wrong desires.
James 1:13-15 tells us this " When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death."