Personal opinion, for God to just forgive Adam, would means Justice were not to be fulfilled, and this goes against the nature of God.Originally posted by Carburettor2:Why couldn't God forgive Adam when it was the serpent who tricked both Eve and Adam into eating from the Tree of Knowledge? I know of people who have a stronger sense of forgiveness than God. So is God worse than a mortal?
u comparing ur God to a human being??Originally posted by Carburettor2:Why couldn't God forgive Adam when it was the serpent who tricked both Eve and Adam into eating from the Tree of Knowledge? I know of people who have a stronger sense of forgiveness than God. So is God worse than a mortal?
But to not forgive is also against the nature of God. Especially when it was the serpent who tricked them. By the way, I'm no Christian. So I will compare God to anything that I want to compare because I have free will to do so. And God really has got a lousy sense of forgiveness.Originally posted by vince69:Personal opinion, for God to just forgive Adam, would means Justice were not to be fulfilled, and this goes against the nature of God.
btw... again this is just my humble opinion (just purely speculation from reading between the lines, no theological backing)...
when God asked Adam if he had eaten the fruit, the answer from Adam is not .. sorry ah..., its "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
Blame God for creating Eve, Blame Eve for giving him the fruit.
Actually, Max Lucado did explain it quite well in one of his books. It took me quite some time to understand his stand. Because it was kinda stumbling.Originally posted by vince69:Personal opinion, for God to just forgive Adam, would means Justice were not to be fulfilled, and this goes against the nature of God.
btw... again this is just my humble opinion (just purely speculation from reading between the lines, no theological backing)...
when God asked Adam if he had eaten the fruit, the answer from Adam is not .. sorry ah..., its "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
Blame God for creating Eve, Blame Eve for giving him the fruit.
He did?Originally posted by M©+square:Actually, Max Lucado did explain it quite well in one of his books. It took me quite some time to understand his stand. Because it was kinda stumbling.
Wait, let me go search for the book. And I'll type it out here.Originally posted by vince69:He did?
which book? can give a brief summary here?
thank you
Its ok.. hope we can help answer your question (on best effort basis only)Originally posted by Carburettor2:But to not forgive is also against the nature of God. Especially when it was the serpent who tricked them. By the way, I'm no Christian. So I will compare God to anything that I want to compare because I have free will to do so. And God really has got a lousy sense of forgiveness.
There are no answers.Originally posted by vince69:Its ok.. hope we can help answer your question (on best effort basis only)
thank youOriginally posted by M©+square:There are no answers.
Only thoughts to such narration.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=203950
I actually took 30mins to type it out....Originally posted by vince69:thank you
Originally posted by the.owl:because god hates you.
To answer this question would require a deep knowledge of what is really meant by 'Tree of Knowledge'.Originally posted by Carburettor2:Why couldn't God forgive Adam when it was the serpent who tricked both Eve and Adam into eating from the Tree of Knowledge? I know of people who have a stronger sense of forgiveness than God. So is God worse than a mortal?
There is no need to pick on details. I did not say Adam ATE the Tree of Knowledge but that he ate FROM the Tree of Knowledge. Anyway, it is called the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge.Originally posted by #$%^&*:To answer this question would require a deep knowledge of what is really meant by 'Tree of Knowledge'.
Do you know what is 'Tree of Knowledge' ?
By the way, I think it's Fruit of Knowledge, not tree. Adam didn't eat the leaves and the branches, did he?
Personally, I have always been intrigued by it.
My opinion, this knowledge of what is right and wrong, and what is shame and so on, has made humans to enter a different realm and therefore humans are sent to earth.
This is only my fague view, since I think the concept of 'fruit of knowledge of right and wrong' is deeply symbolic and has profound meaning, which Im not able to decipher what it really meant.
It is reasonable to assume that Eve did know about the forbidden fruit even though it was not explicitly stated that God had told her so. This is so because the serpent asked Eve whether they were forbidden to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge and she replied that God had indeed forbidden them to do so.Originally posted by sgquitter:Actually, IMO we cannot say God is totally unreasonable to punish Adam becoz Adam knows about God and heard the warning straight from God. However, one might argue that it is common for kids to be naughty/curious thats how they learn anyway, so it might be harsh to condemn a kid (Adam in this case, and ridding him of his immortality = killing him in the long run) juz becoz of one mistake.
As for Eve, God should forgive her becoz He never warned her about the fruit. Why was Eve punished?
or maybe (speculation again) He is trying to give them a chance to come out straight with Him (on what they had done), and both of them blew it again?Originally posted by Carburettor2:I have another question: One of the characteristics of being God is to be omnipresent, which means the ability to be present in every place at any, and/or every time; unbounded or universal presence. If this is so, then why did God have to ask Adam where is he as he walked into the Garden of Eden after they have eaten the forbidden fruit? Why did God have to ask both Adam and Eve whether they have eaten the fruit when he should already have known? Is it because he gei xiao know already but still want to ask? Or is it because he really isn't as powerful as we have thought?
Interesting study.Originally posted by Mystix:Notice that when God asked Adam whether he had eaten from the tree, he wasn't remorseful and immediately shifted the blame to eve. Upon being asked, Eve too immediately shifted it to the serpent.
So we see here the effects of sin already manifesting itself.
Man not wanting to admit that he's sinful and thus trying to reason himself out of it.
Just my take.
I would place it at the point when man fell to the temptation of choose to deny His Word. (when Eve decided in her heart that she was going to eat the fruit)Originally posted by M©+square:Interesting study.
At which point do you think the effects of Sin took place?