Why people go to church?
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Originally posted by davidche:
good, continue to do this with a cheerful heart.
Theres the most important thing you guys have to know. Tithing, for christians is [b]returning our money back to God.
Also, when i tithe, i feel happy to do it cos i feel like thanksgiving to the lord when i tithe.
So he gives you 100% and you return 10%. You return 10% to thank him for the 100%.
Why do we christians say God gave us the 100% then?
Becos wer born with nothing, simple as that.[/b] -
The first post which david did right.Originally posted by vince69:good, continue to do this with a cheerful heart.
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either You are too old to be counselled or your church has good CG practices.Originally posted by vince69:I did this before with my CG leader sitting beside me, no issue what.
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so bottomline christian has to "pay" money. Opps... lets change the word to "return" the money. Why do people seems to be so strongly affected when it is suggested tat christian "pay" when after all the discussion the conclusion is christian do "pay"... I mean "return"...
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I am not saying peer pressure is not abound, there are also such things as self pressure also (like... will God curse me if I don't tithe? which to my personal opinion does not make any sense).Originally posted by Icemoon:either You are too old to be counselled or your church has good CG practices.
I'm sure peer pressure abounds in some churches.
Just that some church/christian organisation/christian do these, does not means all are doing it.
pay, return different in meaning and reason, but its not the wording that affects the mood of discussion, but the notion that its a "being forced upon" thing, that we are really talking about.Originally posted by stupidissmart:so bottomline christian has to "pay" money. Opps... lets change the word to "return" the money. Why do people seems to be so strongly affected when it is suggested tat christian "pay" when after all the discussion the conclusion is christian do "pay"... I mean "return"...
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i give my parents a monthly allowance, i do not pay them. i give them that money (even though they do not need it) out of love and respect and as a token of thanks for what they've done for me and also as an act of pietyOriginally posted by stupidissmart:so bottomline christian has to "pay" money. Opps... lets change the word to "return" the money. Why do people seems to be so strongly affected when it is suggested tat christian "pay" when after all the discussion the conclusion is christian do "pay"... I mean "return"...
Also when the church ask for donations for events like the tsunami or other disasters; i do not pay the church, i give out of good will to help the needy.
However;
i pay to enter a gym, i pay to watch a movie, i pay to enjoy a nice lunch
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pay, return different in meaning and reason, but its not the wording that affects the mood of discussion, but the notion that its a "being forced upon" thing, that we are really talking about.
However the conclusions is tat i is really "forced" upon due to peer pressure and expectations.
Lets give an example. There is tis very rich guy tat is christian and go to church often. He donates not a single cent to the church and everybody knew tis. Wat do u think the reaction of the chuch will be on him ?i give my parents a monthly allowance, i do not pay them. i give them that money (even though they do not need it) out of love and respect and as a token of thanks for what they've done for me and also as an act of piety
To me, it is "pay", to u it is "give". Paying have the element of "trading" for some actions performed for the payer and in tis case, it is really "paying" for treasures in heaven or place in it. Okie, if u want to be specified, then lets use the word "give money" to the church instead.
Also when the church ask for donations for events like the tsunami or other disasters; i do not pay the church, i give out of good will to help the needy.
However;
i pay to enter a gym, i pay to watch a movie, i pay to enjoy a nice lunch
see the contrast there? -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:However the conclusions is tat i is really "forced" upon due to peer pressure and expectations. Rolling Eyes Lets give an example. There is tis very rich guy tat is christian and go to church often. He donates not a single cent to the church and everybody knew tis. Wat do u think the reaction of the chuch will be on him ?
pls read the part I put in just before my answer to you,
I did not say there does not exist peer pressure, I did say not all practice this type of presuring tatics/approach.
Personally, I don't really bother about it, its his personal decision on his money, why I care what he wants to do with them? -
But i do not 'pay' to gain treasures in heaven.Originally posted by stupidissmart:To me, it is "pay", to u it is "give". Paying have the element of "trading" for some actions performed for the payer and in tis case, it is really "paying" for treasures in heaven or place in it. Okie, if u want to be specified, then lets use the word "give money" to the church instead.
i 'pay' because the parish needs money to function
do u pay an allowance to your parents? -
Still on the bread and butter issue ah?
Hottest subject in EH. -
hahaa. i a bit sianz. i mean there's no correct answer, as long as we can understand both sides, that's good enoughOriginally posted by M©+square:Still on the bread and butter issue ah?
Hottest subject in EH. -
cooling down already...Originally posted by M©+square:Still on the bread and butter issue ah?
Hottest subject in EH. -
Some believed that tithing have ceased in OT.Originally posted by ben1xy:hahaa. i a bit sianz. i mean there's no correct answer, as long as we can understand both sides, that's good enough
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Originally posted by vince69:cooling down already...
I suppose it's overly discussed. Everyone is tired. -
* hopefully what we are experiencing now is not the peace before the stormOriginally posted by M©+square:
I suppose it's overly discussed. Everyone is tired. -
storm started le.Originally posted by vince69:* hopefully what we are experiencing now is not the peace before the storm -
Catholic church dun have the 10% ruleOriginally posted by M©+square:Some believed that tithing have ceased in OT. -
Yeap.Originally posted by ben1xy:Catholic church dun have the 10% rule
I'm referring to Protestants.
Sorry, should have mentioned earlier.
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*Shall we retreat into the bunk?Originally posted by vince69:* hopefully what we are experiencing now is not the peace before the storm -
i'll join u guys!Originally posted by M©+square:*Shall we retreat into the bunk? -
pls read the part I put in just before my answer to you,
Then it is really true tat there r peer pressure for people to tilth. Note tat the church do not have the power to force people to donate money, and tat is why it is not mandatory. The only way for church to make people tilth is by pressurising them.
I did not say there does not exist peer pressure, I did say not all practice this type of presuring tatics/approach.
Personally, I don't really bother about it, its his personal decision on his money, why I care what he wants to do with them?But i do not 'pay' to gain treasures in heaven.
But the scripture did say people who pay got treasures in heaven.
i 'pay' because the parish needs money to function
do u pay an allowance to your parents?
And the parish is providing a service to u, as well as building a church on an otherwise useful piece of land. U r still paying for these services. -
*its bunker, not bunk, bunk not safeOriginally posted by M©+square:*Shall we retreat into the bunk? -
Orh....Originally posted by vince69:*its bunker, not bunk, bunk not safe -
Your parents give u a roof over your head, paid for your education. so when u give them monthly allowance, u're repaying them?Originally posted by stupidissmart:But the scripture did say people who pay got treasures in heaven.
And the parish is providing a service to u, as well as building a church on an otherwise useful piece of land. U r still paying for these services. -
scripture also says that Jesus is the way and the truth? do u subscibe to that?Originally posted by stupidissmart:But the scripture did say people who pay got treasures in heaven.