Why is Moses called Moses?
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I use a catchy title. Hopefully we can crap a bit and have an intellectual discussion.
Have you ever wondered why
1. The Egyptian princess gave Moses a Hebrew name (Moshe) when the Pharaoh sought to kill Hebrew babies a few years back?
2. As a prince of Egypt, Moses had to flee (because the Pharaoh wanted to kill him) just because he killed an Egyptian? What are royalties for?
To the Muslims, I know Moses is Musa is Islam. I'm not sure how far the Musa account in the Qu'ran and Hadith differs from the Bible, do you people have the same issues? -
The Prince Of Eygpt cartoon very nice show.
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Probably he had an egyptian name like Daniel & his 3 frens who had babylonian names but wasnt mentioned in bible. Even Joseph prob had an egyptian name also. That's why bros couldnt recognise him?Originally posted by Icemoon:I use a catchy title. Hopefully we can crap a bit and have an intellectual discussion.
Have you ever wondered why
1. The Egyptian princess gave Moses a Hebrew name (Moshe) when the Pharaoh sought to kill Hebrew babies a few years back?
2. As a prince of Egypt, Moses had to flee (because the Pharaoh wanted to kill him) just because he killed an Egyptian? What are royalties for?
To the Muslims, I know Moses is Musa is Islam. I'm not sure how far the Musa account in the Qu'ran and Hadith differs from the Bible, do you people have the same issues?
I know Jesus is Isa to muslims. Abraham is Ibrahim. Isaac is Ishak. Jacob is Yacob. -
Btw, Moses is called Moses bcos his name is Moses!
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that time Egypt was ruled by the king Fir'aun (Pharaoh). He was arrogant, tyrant and powerful. He thought himself to be god. In their kingdom the people led miserable lives. They were forced to work as slaves. They were chained and whipped if they refused to work. The Israelites were looked down upon in that society. They suffered badly due to destitution and indigence. Some of them grew weak and died of starvation.
When Pharaoh noticed that the Israelites were increasing in number, he was much alarmed. He held discussions with his counselors on this topic. They decided that Israelites should be snubbed. They should not be allowed to become powerful and supreme in the land. They planned to oppress and persecute them in different ways. Pharaoh ordered that all male children born in the families of the Israelites should be put to death. This tyrannical act of Pharaoh against the Israelites has been described in the following Verses of the Holy Quran:
"Surely Fir'aun exalted himself in the land and divided its people into parties, oppressing one party from among them by killing their sons and sparing their women. Surely he was one of the mischief-makers." (Surah 28: Verse 3-5)
Pharaoh and his men began to persecute the followers of Prophet Musa (peace be upon him). The Israelites remained patient. They began to worship and glorify God in their homes. They kept praying to God. They said:
"O' Our Lord! Make us not subject to persecution of the unjust people, and deliver us by Your mercy from the unbelieving people." (Surah 20: Verse 86)
When the Israelites were under the burden of hardships and sufferings, Allah ordered the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) to leave the area with his followers. He promised to save them. In compliance with the Commandment of Allah the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) directed his people to migrate secretly to another place. -
The devil mixes truth with lies.Originally posted by Master -_-:that time Egypt was ruled by the king Fir'aun (Pharaoh). He was arrogant, tyrant and powerful. He thought himself to be god. In their kingdom the people led miserable lives. They were forced to work as slaves. They were chained and whipped if they refused to work. The Israelites were looked down upon in that society. They suffered badly due to destitution and indigence. Some of them grew weak and died of starvation.
When Pharaoh noticed that the Israelites were increasing in number, he was much alarmed. He held discussions with his counselors on this topic. They decided that Israelites should be snubbed. They should not be allowed to become powerful and supreme in the land. They planned to oppress and persecute them in different ways. Pharaoh ordered that all male children born in the families of the Israelites should be put to death. This tyrannical act of Pharaoh against the Israelites has been described in the following Verses of the Holy Quran:
"Surely Fir'aun exalted himself in the land and divided its people into parties, oppressing one party from among them by killing their sons and sparing their women. Surely he was one of the mischief-makers." (Surah 28: Verse 3-5)
Pharaoh and his men began to persecute the followers of Prophet Musa (peace be upon him). The Israelites remained patient. They began to worship and glorify God in their homes. They kept praying to God. They said:
"O' Our Lord! Make us not subject to persecution of the unjust people, and deliver us by Your mercy from the unbelieving people." (Surah 20: Verse 86)
When the Israelites were under the burden of hardships and sufferings, Allah ordered the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) to leave the area with his followers. He promised to save them. In compliance with the Commandment of Allah the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) directed his people to migrate secretly to another place.
The Jews did not migrate secretly but migrated after God sent ten plagues on Egypt. Did the quran mention these?
I quote u:In compliance with the Commandment of Allah the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) directed his people to migrate secretly to another place.
They migrated with great fanfare having achieved great destruction to Egypt including firstborns being killed by angel of death. But Goshen where they lived in was spared all the plagues. Amen! Hallelujah! Praise God! -
Your explanation is unbiblical.Originally posted by The Elder:They migrated with great fanfare having achieved great destruction to Egypt including firstborns being killed by angel of death. But Goshen where they lived in was spared all the plagues. Amen! Hallelujah! Praise God!
God did not spare Goshen; He spared whoever followed his commandment by putting blood on the door. Note the significance:
1. The commandment means anyone can be saved (including the Egyptian neighbors) as long as you have faith in God and follow His Word.
2. Try to link with the salvation of Christ. You are a Christian so should be able to understand better than me. -
From the viewpoint of history and literature .. we can argue that the Qu'ran is trying to downplay the Exodus and the Jews are trying to glorify it.Originally posted by The Elder:The devil mixes truth with lies.
The Jews did not migrate secretly but migrated after God sent ten plagues on Egypt. Did the quran mention these?
For the obvious reason. -
Why do some muslims hate jews so much since they also have Moses in their holy book?Originally posted by Master -_-:that time Egypt was ruled by the king Fir'aun (Pharaoh). He was arrogant, tyrant and powerful. He thought himself to be god. In their kingdom the people led miserable lives. They were forced to work as slaves. They were chained and whipped if they refused to work. The Israelites were looked down upon in that society. They suffered badly due to destitution and indigence. Some of them grew weak and died of starvation.
When Pharaoh noticed that the Israelites were increasing in number, he was much alarmed. He held discussions with his counselors on this topic. They decided that Israelites should be snubbed. They should not be allowed to become powerful and supreme in the land. They planned to oppress and persecute them in different ways. Pharaoh ordered that all male children born in the families of the Israelites should be put to death. This tyrannical act of Pharaoh against the Israelites has been described in the following Verses of the Holy Quran:
"Surely Fir'aun exalted himself in the land and divided its people into parties, oppressing one party from among them by killing their sons and sparing their women. Surely he was one of the mischief-makers." (Surah 28: Verse 3-5)
Pharaoh and his men began to persecute the followers of Prophet Musa (peace be upon him). The Israelites remained patient. They began to worship and glorify God in their homes. They kept praying to God. They said:
"O' Our Lord! Make us not subject to persecution of the unjust people, and deliver us by Your mercy from the unbelieving people." (Surah 20: Verse 86)
When the Israelites were under the burden of hardships and sufferings, Allah ordered the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) to leave the area with his followers. He promised to save them. In compliance with the Commandment of Allah the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) directed his people to migrate secretly to another place.
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Its always good to update oneself, newspapers is good if one is lazy to read articles
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The hint in the Bible says that Moses is so-called because he was drawn out from the water. Many Egyptian pharaohs have names that end in -mosis or -mesis, which has the meaning of 'emanating from', 'derived of' or 'born of'. So Ramesis or Ramesses is 'born of Ra, the sun god'. Thutmose or Thutmosis is 'born of Thoth, the god with the head of an ibis', Amenmesses is 'born of Amun, the god of the air' and so on...
Moses is probably part of his name...the other part is probably the name of an Egyptian god, perhaps the river god Hapi? Perhaps when he wrote Exodus, Moses decided to leave out the name of the Egyptian god from his original name.. -
Yah .. I read of this one.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The hint in the Bible says that Moses is so-called because he was drawn out from the water. Many Egyptian pharaohs have names that end in -mosis or -mesis, which has the meaning of 'emanating from', 'derived of' or 'born of'. So Ramesis or Ramesses is 'born of Ra, the sun god'. Thutmose or Thutmosis is 'born of Thoth, the god with the head of an ibis', Amenmesses is 'born of Amun, the god of the air' and so on...
Moses is probably part of his name...the other part is probably the name of an Egyptian god, perhaps the river god Hapi? Perhaps when he wrote Exodus, Moses decided to leave out the name of the Egyptian god from his original name..
Mushroom .. you read of Moses as Thutmosis theory?
But Bible clearly states Moses (Moshe) is a Hebrew name that came from him being drawn out of the water. If Moses the name has an Egyptian origin, I can accept that, but this will imply he is dishonest in the Genesis account? -
why do you say that Moses is a Hebrew name? Many names have versions in different languages, like James is the Greek version of Jacob (Yage in Chinese and Yacob in Malay)..Originally posted by Icemoon:Yah .. I read of this one.
Mushroom .. you read of Moses as Thutmosis theory?
But Bible clearly states Moses (Moshe) is a Hebrew name that came from him being drawn out of the water. If Moses the name has an Egyptian origin, I can accept that, but this will imply he is dishonest in the Genesis account?
Moses as Thutmosis III? That would mean Exodus was completely inaccurate and even less credible... -
Well the chinese and greek bibles are translations from the original Hebrew right?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:why do you say that Moses is a Hebrew name? Many names have versions in different languages, like James is the Greek version of Jacob (Yage in Chinese and Yacob in Malay)..
Moses as Thutmosis III? That would mean Exodus was completely inaccurate and even less credible...
Furthermore if it is not a Hebrew name, we will know like the names given to Daniel and his friends in Babylon. -
http://www.grahamphillips.net/Books/Moses.htm
If Moses existed he would be arguably one of historyÂ’s most influential figures - the founder of the great monotheistic religions of the modern world. However, many historians doubt the reality of the Exodus story and even question the existence of Moses himself. In The Moses Legacy, Graham Phillips takes the reader on an exiting journey into biblical times, using the latest archaeological evidence as well as a new reading of the Old Testament to recreate early Hebrew history. He not only shows that much of the Exodus story can be corroborated, from the flight from Egypt to the conquest of Canaan, but that Moses had indeed existed.
I read his book on the Ark of the Covenant. Very nice .. like detective story .. and better than the Da Vinci Code.
Graham proposes that Moses had in fact been two separate historical figures who later became confused as one. The first, the man who originally converted the Israelites to monotheism, was a dissident court official named Tuthmosis, who was banished from Egypt around 1460 BC, and the second, the man who confronted the pharaoh and led the Israelites out of captivity, was an exiled prince, also called Tuthmosis, who lived around a century later. The word Moses, meaning "the son", Graham suggests, was a later shortening of this original name.
Having identified the historical figures behind the Moses story, Graham then leads the reader on a fascinating quest to discover the very place the Hebrew religion originated. According to the Bible, Moses first discovered God on Mount Sinai when he spoke to him at a burning bush. Also called the Mountain of God, it was here that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, revealed the holy laws and instructed him to make the Ark of the Covenant. It was here too that God infused MosesÂ’ staff with the power to bring down the plagues of hail and fire, turn day to night, the Nile to blood and part the Red Sea. Although, since Roman times, legend has identified Mount Sinai as Jebel Musa in eastern Egypt, the Bible itself does not directly say where it is. In modern times biblical scholars have fiercely debated its true location, while historians have doubted that such a place ever really existed. Now, by cross-referencing various accounts of the Exodus story given in different books of the Old Testament, and comparing them with the latest archaeological discoveries from the Middle East, Graham Phillips goes in search of the real Mountain of God.
According to the book of Exodus, when the Israelites arrive at the Mountain of God Moses uses his sacred staff to create a miraculous spring. The book of Numbers describes this same event but reveals its location as being at Kadesh, today identified as a mountainous pass on the boarders of the kingdom of Edom in southern Jordan. Now surrounded by the later ruins of the Nabatean city of Petra, a Bedouin shrine still marks the spot where local tradition has long held that the event occurred. Above it, rises Jebel Madhbah, a mountain that precisely matches the descriptions of Mount Sinai given in the Bible. Here, a team of British and Jordanian archaeologists has recently excavated the remains of an ancient Hebrew sanctuary dating from the very time Moses is thought to have lived. Remarkably, in the nineteenth century, a tomb was discovered there that may actually have been the final resting place of one of the historical Moses figures. Inside, along with other artifacts, was a 3500-year-old staff inscribed with hieroglyphics identifying its owner as the court official Tuthmosis, the very man Graham identified as the first Moses. He believes that it was the second Moses who was buried in the tomb, the staff having been inherited by him when he became the leader of the Israelites. The staff is now in the Egyptian gallery of the Birmingham Museum in England and, after careful research, Graham is certain it is the actual staff that the Bible asserts Moses used to perform the miracles of the Exodus. -
x2Originally posted by Icemoon:http://www.grahamphillips.net/Books/Moses.htm
I read his book on the Ark of the Covenant. Very nice .. like detective story .. and better than the Da Vinci Code.
Ark of the Covenant was very good!! -
Thanks for the info.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The hint in the Bible says that Moses is so-called because he was drawn out from the water. Many Egyptian pharaohs have names that end in -mosis or -mesis, which has the meaning of 'emanating from', 'derived of' or 'born of'. So Ramesis or Ramesses is 'born of Ra, the sun god'. Thutmose or Thutmosis is 'born of Thoth, the god with the head of an ibis', Amenmesses is 'born of Amun, the god of the air' and so on...
Moses is probably part of his name...the other part is probably the name of an Egyptian god, perhaps the river god Hapi? Perhaps when he wrote Exodus, Moses decided to leave out the name of the Egyptian god from his original name.. -
So he's a Jew or Christian or non believer?Originally posted by Icemoon:http://www.grahamphillips.net/Books/Moses.htm
I read his book on the Ark of the Covenant. Very nice .. like detective story .. and better than the Da Vinci Code. -
You also read the book?Originally posted by ben1xy:x2
Ark of the Covenant was very good!! 
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Doesn't matter.Originally posted by The Elder:So he's a Jew or Christian or non believer?
Anyone can put forward an argument. -
I did not know that the 'water rescue' of babies that go on to fame, was a favorite back in those times:Originally posted by Icemoon:I use a catchy title. Hopefully we can crap a bit and have an intellectual discussion.
Have you ever wondered why
1. The Egyptian princess gave Moses a Hebrew name (Moshe) when the Pharaoh sought to kill Hebrew babies a few years back?
2. As a prince of Egypt, Moses had to flee (because the Pharaoh wanted to kill him) just because he killed an Egyptian? What are royalties for?
To the Muslims, I know Moses is Musa is Islam. I'm not sure how far the Musa account in the Qu'ran and Hadith differs from the Bible, do you people have the same issues?
http://skeptically.org/oldtestament/id3.html