Do you think all the OT prophets are saved?
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you are like the sweeper monk in Tian Long Ba Bu.Originally posted by M©+square:Me beneath the both of Ewww!!!!
Me Don't care also.
Bochup but powerful.
Can make dead people resurrect.
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Ahem, doctrine wrong ah....Originally posted by Icemoon:you are like the sweeper monk in Tian Long Ba Bu.
Bochup but powerful.
Can make dead people resurrect.
Only Jesus resurrected.
and only God have the power to resurrect lehs....
I don't want to be struck down by God.
AND
I don't want to be a sweeper....
*Me hands the BROOM award to David* - The Man of Sweeping statements. -
Jesus resurrected .. so did Lazarus and the bunch from OT. In Ezekiel, even bones can resurrect?Originally posted by M©+square:Ahem, doctrine wrong ah....
Only Jesus resurrected.
and only God have the power to resurrect lehs....
I don't want to be struck down by God.
AND
I don't want to be a sweeper....
*Me hands the BROOM award to David* - The Man of Sweeping statements.
Yes .. only God can resurrect people. -
Orh, corrected.Originally posted by Icemoon:Jesus resurrected .. so did Lazarus and the bunch from OT. In Ezekiel, even bones can resurrect?
Yes .. only God can resurrect people.
Ok lah. Lazarus that one counted ah. Ok ok. Hmm...
Bone Resurrect also ah!?!?!?!?!?! OK lah!!!! I give it to you!!!
So my doctrine wrong
Don't care also.
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oh shit .. I realize my doctrine incomplete and a bit wrong. Did Ezekiel resurrect anyone? It should be Elijah who resurrected a boy?Originally posted by M©+square:Orh, corrected.
Ok lah. Lazarus that one counted ah. Ok ok. Hmm...
Bone Resurrect also ah!?!?!?!?!?! OK lah!!!! I give it to you!!!
So my doctrine wrong
Don't care also.
Lazarus counted .. the dead who resurrected from their tombs (recorded somewhere in the NT) also counted!
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When resurrect means resurrect with a new undieable body. Lazarus was only revived to die again later. All believers will be resurrected on the last day to eternal happiness in heaven while all unbelievers will be resurrected to eternal suffering in hell.Originally posted by Icemoon:Jesus resurrected .. so did Lazarus and the bunch from OT. In Ezekiel, even bones can resurrect?
Yes .. only God can resurrect people. -
I believe that too.Originally posted by Icemoon:I believe my knowledge of the OT is not beneath you, brother.
I just disagree with your understanding of salvation in the OT that's all. -
About your question my friend about OT prophets salvation. I cannot say for sure. I have hunches but they are only hunches. My mind would say Balaam was a prophet that Scripture describes as someone who is not godly. But i cannot say for sure whether he was saved or not because the Bible does not say with finality. Who knows the guy could have repented and got saved.Originally posted by Icemoon:by what critieria?
because they are favoured by God?
because they FULFILL THE 613 COMMANDMENTS?
Your question i leave to God.
About the salvation in the Old Testament.
Two views:
a) one group says that they got saved through believing what God has revealed to them. The content of the revelation could vary. And then upon beliveing it, God reckoned their faith to the cross of Christ.
b) another group [the group which i belong] says they got saved through faith in Christ like in the NT.
Why i chose the latter view:
1) we should know that the gospel about the Lord Jesus in seed form was first preached by God in Gen. 3:15:
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."
Adam and Eve first heard of it. Undoubtedly they relayed this to their children.
2) 2Ti 3:14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Paul was exhorting his student Timothy to continue in the things which he has learned in the Scriptures.
Question: What Scripture is Paul referring here? OT or NT?
Surely it is OT. The NT was still in the process of being written at this time. [Paul was still writitng 2 Timothy-this letter!!!] Timothy was taught by his mother and grandmom about the OT Scriptures.
Now notice what does Paul say about the OT Scirptures?
02Ti 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
What does the OT do with regards to salvation? They are able to make Timothy wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The OT prophecies about the coming Messiah that wil bring salvation. Repentant sinners got saved back in the OT by trusting in the Lord Jesus. Where did they get the knowledge about the Lord Jesus? From the OT.
No wonder it was written of Moses:
Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,
25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin,
26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ than Egypts treasures. How did he know about Christ? OT and Gen. 3:15 relayed.
NO wonder the LOrd Jesus was able to say:
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
Read Faith's Hall of Fame in Hebrews 11. It has always been by Faith.
Read Romans 4 about Abraham and David. They got saved by faith. -
Can I take back my statement?Originally posted by Mystix:I believe that too.
I just disagree with your understanding of salvation in the OT that's all.
I make too many blunders recently .. like the recent Adam-Eve discussion .. seems like I have much more to learn. -
Actually cannot say Jesus resurrected with a new undieable body.Originally posted by Raptured:When resurrect means resurrect with a new undieable body. Lazarus was only revived to die again later. All believers will be resurrected on the last day to eternal happiness in heaven while all unbelievers will be resurrected to eternal suffering in hell.
Issit a body in the first place? How come body can pass through wall one? Machiam like the vampires in MDAV ..
Furthermore Jesus ascended to heaven so the theory cannot be falsified.
Undieable means like the vampires in the drama liddat .. wounds get healed .. bu4 lao3 bu4 si3. -
dun worry, we all have much to learn.Originally posted by Icemoon:Can I take back my statement?
I make too many blunders recently .. like the recent Adam-Eve discussion .. seems like I have much more to learn. -
Is that why you choose to believe in God?Originally posted by Raptured:When resurrect means resurrect with a new undieable body. Lazarus was only revived to die again later. All believers will be resurrected on the last day to eternal happiness in heaven while all unbelievers will be resurrected to eternal suffering in hell. -
It is getting more and more like MDAV.
Vampires bite people to turn them into vampires. They all share the same blood. They have undieable bodies.
And like Kuang Tianyou liddat .. they went to a certain Paradise.