jesus a jew
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Wah .. SIS praised me .. I am so honored.
I think icemoon make a good reply
It is no secret tat jesus has been communicating with god throughout the NT.
[b]Mark1
At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
Now pray tell me. How can Jesus and god be one ? If he is, then god must be mad to say he is his own son ? If u say Jesus is a "second godhead" of the trinity, then is obviously shown tat trinity made of 3 types of "godhead" but they r not the same. U need to know the meaning of "same". They must have completely no difference at all. If there is a difference, no matter how slight, then they r not the same and one One a father and one a son is already a good sign to show they r not the same [/b]
Actually SIS is right. The Trinity is "three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son." (from the Westminister Confession of Faith) -
So Jesus didn't pray in line with His Father's will?Originally posted by Icemoon:yes. so you have helped me ans Brey's question - Jesus indeed thought and acted separately from the Father. -
He didn't obviously.Originally posted by SocialOutcast:So Jesus didn't pray in line with His Father's will?
He prayed for the cup to be taken away from him .. the prayer was never answered. -
That's why it's a mystery (and people have mulled over it for centuries)... but not unexpected.
My own take on it is that because God is kinda hard to describe in our own metaphysical language and senses (more difficult as a 2D cartoon character trying to comprehend a cube). Unfortunately you are not going to get people spelling it out to you in some easy formula soon... the simplest I can put it (not helpfully) is that Christians believe there is one God but yet three seperate and distinct aspects... and language and human understanding is a poor way to spell it out. -
never in the Christian Theology did they teach that the Trinity are 3 Persons mixed together. They are 3 distinct Persons yet Co-Substantial, Co-eternally God.Originally posted by Icemoon:yes. so you have helped me ans Brey's question - Jesus indeed thought and acted separately from the Father. -
You just made matters worse.Originally posted by NT2:never in the Christian Theology did they teach that the Trinity are 3 Persons mixed together. They are 3 distinct Persons yet Co-Substantial, Co-eternally God.
Watch SIS fire his salvos! -
The Trinity is "three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity
never in the Christian Theology did they teach that the Trinity are 3 Persons mixed together. They are 3 distinct Persons yet Co-Substantial, Co-eternally God.
So there r 3 gods or 1 god ? From the way the replies r written, it just led me to believe there r 3 gods who r equally powerful. I am pretty sure people know the most basic rule of mathematics. That is 1=1, 3=3 and 1!=3. So how many god r there ?
If u ask me, there is one logical answer for tis If god has schizo, and he thought he is 3 people instead of 1, then the idea of the trinity made sense. Another possibility is he roleplay the whole show about jesus acting as both jesus and god. Otherwise trinity doesn't make sense and god is, well god. Son is not god, possibly just more powerful than the average angel and holy spirits r not god but mere servant to it. -
as usual, u r not jus intellectually stupid....spiritual undiscerning as well.Originally posted by stupidissmart:So there r 3 gods or 1 god ? From the way the replies r written, it just led me to believe there r 3 gods who r equally powerful. I am pretty sure people know the most basic rule of mathematics. That is 1=1, 3=3 and 1!=3. So how many god r there ?
If u ask me, there is one logical answer for tis If god has schizo, and he thought he is 3 people instead of 1, then the idea of the trinity made sense. Another possibility is he roleplay the whole show about jesus acting as both jesus and god. Otherwise trinity doesn't make sense and god is, well god. Son is not god, possibly just more powerful than the average angel and holy spirits r not god but mere servant to it. -
QUICUNQUE VULT, Commonly called the Creed of Saint Athanasius
Whosoever will be saved: before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholick Faith.
Which Faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled: without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the Catholick Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
Neither confounding the Persons: nor dividing the substance.
For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son: and another of the Holy Ghost.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one: the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son: and such is the Holy Ghost.
The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate: and the Holy Ghost uncreate.
The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible: and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible.
The Father eternal, the Son eternal: and the Holy Ghost eternal.
And yet they are not three eternals: but one eternal.
As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated: but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty: and the Holy Ghost Almighty.
And yet they are not three Almighties: but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God: and the Holy Ghost is God.
And yet they are not three Gods: but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord: and the Holy Ghost Lord.
And yet not three Lords: but one Lord.
For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity: to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
So are we forbidden by the Catholick religion: to say there be three Gods, or three Lords.
The Father is made of none: neither created nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone: not made nor created, but begotten.
The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.
And in the Trinity none is afore, or after another: none is greater, or less than another;
But the whole three persons are co-eternal together: and co-equal.
So that in all things, as is aforesaid: the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
He therefore that will be saved: must thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation: that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the right Faith is that we believe and confess: that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man;
God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the Substance of his Mother, born in the world.
Perfect God, and Perfect Man: of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting;
Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead: and inferior to the Father, as touching his Manhood.
Who although he be God and Man: yet he is not two, but one Christ.
One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by the taking of the Manhood into God.
One altogether, not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man: so God and Man is one Christ.
Who suffered for our salvation: descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty: from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies: and shall give account for their own works.
And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting: and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
This is the Catholick Faith: which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son: and to the Holy Ghost;
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be: world without end. Amen. -
why don't u pharse in your own word wat u understand about the trinity ? I read the passage, it still means no sense because they say there is 3 gods but it is 1 and 1 god but it is 3 which doesn't make any sense. 1=1, 3=3 and 1!=3.
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i already phrased it earlier and i do not intend to convince u.Originally posted by stupidissmart:why don't u pharse in your own word wat u understand about the trinity ? -
so your answer is
They are 3 distinct Persons yet Co-Substantial, Co-eternally God.
And your answer is still suggesting 3=1, which defies basic logic -
i drink 3 in 1 kopi last time...logical to me because i too lazy to mess around with coffee powder, then sugar, then milk.Originally posted by stupidissmart:so your answer is
And your answer is still suggesting 3=1, which defies basic logic
But afterall, its still a nice cup of coffee no matter how it came about... -
never in the Christian Theology did they teach that the Trinity are 3 Persons mixed together
Now u r suggesting god is a mixed up of 3 people like 3 in 1 coffee ? Furthermore 3 in one coffee contain 3 different ingredient, coffee, milk and sugar. Nobody claims 3 in 1 coffee is 1 substance -
nope not suggesting, i'm talking about coffee drinking on the same platform as how you would define "logical". Because to me, your so called logic belongs to your own creation. Not God's.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Now u r suggesting god is a mixed up of 3 people like 3 in 1 coffee ? Furthermore 3 in one coffee contain 3 different ingredient, coffee, milk and sugar. Nobody claims 3 in 1 coffee is 1 substance
And you proven it by making quick assumptions and generalisations. -
u r really stupid.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Now u r suggesting god is a mixed up of 3 people like 3 in 1 coffee ? Furthermore 3 in one coffee contain 3 different ingredient, coffee, milk and sugar. Nobody claims 3 in 1 coffee is 1 substance
using my statement tagged with someone else's illustration. logic is not in u....dun try to act as if u have any. -
A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.
Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}
Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}
Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do
Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting your will to God and Faith as Muslims do . -
Jesus said "I am the truth, the way, and the life".Originally posted by valentinoo:A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.
Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}
Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}
Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do
Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting your will to God and Faith as Muslims do .
Muslims got or not? -
Valentinoo, so uncalled.
Actually, there is. Theres a famous Muslim saint who was executed by the fanatics for blasphemy after saying, "I am Truth" which implies very hugely "I am God" in Islam. That was in a state of divine union or annihilation where no reality exists except divinity, which runs contrary to some religious law - supposedly reserved only for prophets.Originally posted by Icemoon:Jesus said "I am the truth, the way, and the life".
Muslims got or not?
For Muslims, I think we agree thats how we regard those sayings of Jesus as. He is one with God. Manifesting God through himself, uh, not.. uhm.. God himself. Something like that.
Maybe thats where the Christian and Muslim cant reconcile. But I hope you can understand the posture more. -
Hi gauze, that's really interesting. anyway, juz 1 quick question from me. in this verse John 6:51Originally posted by Gauze:Valentinoo, so uncalled.
Actually, there is. Theres a famous Muslim saint who was executed by the fanatics for blasphemy after saying, "I am Truth" which implies very hugely "I am God" in Islam. That was in a state of divine union or annihilation where no reality exists except divinity, which runs contrary to some religious law - supposedly reserved only for prophets.
For Muslims, I think we agree thats how we regard those sayings of Jesus as. He is one with God. Manifesting God through himself, uh, not.. uhm.. God himself. Something like that.
Maybe thats where the Christian and Muslim cant reconcile. But I hope you can understand the posture more.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
u reckon it's the same scenario that u mentioned above?
anyway, my apologies as i know it isn't fair to ask u abt Biblical quotes. but i would like to see things from ur perspective on this issue.
thks! -
It is good that Muslim brethens care to take part in the discussion.Originally posted by Gauze:Valentinoo, so uncalled.
Actually, there is. Theres a famous Muslim saint who was executed by the fanatics for blasphemy after saying, "I am Truth" which implies very hugely "I am God" in Islam. That was in a state of divine union or annihilation where no reality exists except divinity, which runs contrary to some religious law - supposedly reserved only for prophets.
For Muslims, I think we agree thats how we regard those sayings of Jesus as. He is one with God. Manifesting God through himself, uh, not.. uhm.. God himself. Something like that.
Maybe thats where the Christian and Muslim cant reconcile. But I hope you can understand the posture more.
Yes, we understand where you are coming from. Shady also thinks like that .. haha -
yes .. you can ask him bible quotes provided the Injeed of Iseus also have the quotes.Originally posted by ben1xy:Hi gauze, that's really interesting. anyway, juz 1 quick question from me. in this verse John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
u reckon it's the same scenario that u mentioned above?
anyway, my apologies as i know it isn't fair to ask u abt Biblical quotes. but i would like to see things from ur perspective on this issue.
thks! -
Heya too ben1xy. I feel its irrelevant wether its literal or allegorical now. Because any type bread from God which you've eaten should have transformed you into a generally good and happy person, owing to the life nourishing, heavenly, quality.Originally posted by ben1xy:Hi gauze, that's really interesting. anyway, juz 1 quick question from me. in this verse John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
u reckon it's the same scenario that u mentioned above?
anyway, my apologies as i know it isn't fair to ask u abt Biblical quotes. but i would like to see things from ur perspective on this issue.
thks!
Unless that happens, then I doubt you've partook in such kind of a divine feast in the first place, since that'll be hypocritical right?
But if one turns out to be genuinely contented, then one will be proving God's miracle through means of oneself, just like Jesus did, together with the purpose of the bread. I guess.
Thats teh opinion. *Spreads palm* Two cents.
No? Kopi money only plz. K thnx.
Thanks also, for the welcome. Its Injeel/Injil of Isa. WHOZA THE REAL SLIM SHADY?!Originally posted by Icemoon:It is good that Muslim brethens care to take part in the discussion.
Yes, we understand where you are coming from. Shady also thinks like that .. haha -
opps .. I forgot it is Isa, not Iseus. I remember it starts with an 'I'. Iesus is the latin name for Jesus.Originally posted by Gauze:Thanks also, for the welcome. Its Injeel/Injil of Isa. WHOZA THE REAL SLIM SHADY?!
Shady is what we call shade434?