chosen one

• valentinoo

  30 Jul 06, 22:03

  do christian believe that jews r the chosen one??
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 22:04

  they are the chosen race
  
  but that extends to gentiles too under the New covenant
• s|nNeD

  30 Jul 06, 22:06

  NT2 says it all..
  
  so i dun really feel like they're the chosen ones per se.
• valentinoo

  30 Jul 06, 22:06

  chosen race for what? i dont understand how can u think da chosen race r ppl who doesnt preach ur religion ?
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 22:08

  Originally posted by valentinoo:

  chosen race for what? i dont understand how can u think da chosen race r ppl who doesnt preach ur religion ?

  Israel is the Olive Tree...but because they reject Yeshua as the Messiah...they are being cut off from the stem. Gentile people are the grafted olive branches into that stem based on the faith they have in Yeshua. The faith the gentiles have....qualify them as being children of Abraham, the father of faith.
  
  
• valentinoo

  30 Jul 06, 22:11

  I see.In Islam we do not have any concept of being either a chosen one or a gentile, or that any one is godly or forgiven just because one belongs to certain faith. Similarly, the idea that another person can take the burden for our sins or that confessing to our sins bestows any benefits on Judgment Day, is not recognised in Islam. It is about equal justice, equal access and equal opportunities for all human beings and that the people bear responsibility for their own actions and deeds.
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 22:13

  Originally posted by valentinoo:

  I see.In Islam we do not have any concept of being either a chosen one or a gentile, or that any one is godly or forgiven just because one belongs to certain faith. Similarly, the idea that another person can take the burden for our sins or that confessing to our sins bestows any benefits on Judgment Day, is not recognised in Islam. It is about equal justice, equal access and equal opportunities for all human beings and that the people bear responsibility for their own actions and deeds.

  and Islam cannot assure anyone of their salvation isnt it?
• valentinoo

  30 Jul 06, 22:19

  Originally posted by NT2:

  and Islam cannot assure anyone of their salvation isnt it?

  For a Muslim, the lifestyle should be in a way that is pleasing to God so that one may receive his grace and enter the Paradise. Islam teaches that man is responsible for all his deeds in the Judgment day and everybody reaps the fruit of his own deeds (Quran 2:141).
  
  
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 22:22

  Originally posted by valentinoo:

  For a Muslim, the lifestyle should be in a way that is pleasing to God so that one may receive his grace and enter the Paradise. Islam teaches that man is responsible for all his deeds in the Judgment day and everybody reaps the fruit of his own deeds (Quran 2:141).
  
  

  yup.
  
  Christianity teaches that righteous acts of Man are like filthy rags and works are incapable of saving and earn for anyone salvation. There is nothing a person can do that is pleasing to God because all are sinners.
  
  Salvation in Biblical context is a free gift from God and grace. A person is saved by grace through his faith in Yeshua alone.
  
  
• valentinoo

  30 Jul 06, 22:25

  
  
  Yup, The Quran also states that "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran 2:62).
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 22:27

  The Bible says there is NO salvation for those who does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
  
  Salvation in Christianity comes by personal faith in Jesus, not by bloodline...ancestry nor by mere head knowledge.
• laoda99

  30 Jul 06, 22:29

  Originally posted by valentinoo:

  do christian believe that jews r the chosen one??

  They are the chosen ones, even if not everyone likes it.
• mhcampboy

  30 Jul 06, 22:29

  This debate is endless.
  
  Just worship who you want to worship ok. No point arguing. No prizes also.
  
  If really so hard... become free thinker la! Best of everything.
• s|nNeD

  30 Jul 06, 22:30

  Ok.. let's keep this discussion a healthy one..
  
  I'm sure you dudes know what i mean.
  
  
• laoda99

  30 Jul 06, 22:32

  Originally posted by valentinoo:

  For a Muslim, the lifestyle should be in a way that is pleasing to God so that one may receive his grace and enter the Paradise. Islam teaches that man is responsible for all his deeds in the Judgment day and everybody reaps the fruit of his own deeds (Quran 2:141).
  
  

  Faith wise there are a lot of things Christians can learn from muslims - surrender to God.
  
  As u have said, all of us will be judged. So we should just wait for that day and no use arguing abt theology here.
• Icemoon

  30 Jul 06, 23:45

  I tot the chosen one is Anakin?
• breytonhartge

  30 Jul 06, 23:50

  Originally posted by NT2:

  Israel is the Olive Tree...but because they reject Yeshua as the Messiah...they are being cut off from the stem. Gentile people are the grafted olive branches into that stem based on the faith they have in Yeshua. The faith the gentiles have....qualify them as being children of Abraham, the father of faith.
  
  

  hello they are not cut off at the stem, the bible makes it very clear that they are only blinded temporarily for our sakes.. do not get too arrogant did you not read in romans 11? and paul also admonished us on this point we are the wildbranches and we are grafted in, and if Yahweh did not spare the natural, how much more will He not spare us.. but in Romans 11:26 and so ALL Israel wil be saved.
  
  instead we should be grateful and thankful... for if salvation did indeed come the the jews the first time round.. .it would be over for us...
• Icemoon

  30 Jul 06, 23:52

  Originally posted by NT2:

  Israel is the Olive Tree...but because they reject Yeshua as the Messiah...they are being cut off from the stem. Gentile people are the grafted olive branches into that stem based on the faith they have in Yeshua. The faith the gentiles have....qualify them as being children of Abraham, the father of faith.
  
  

  This is unbiblical when we realize the Abrahamic Covenant is unconditional.
• NT2

  30 Jul 06, 23:52

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  hello they are not cut off at the stem, the bible makes it very clear that they are only blinded temporarily for our sakes.. do not get too arrogant did you not read in romans 11? and paul also admonished us on this point we are the wildbranches and we are grafted in, and if Yahweh did not spare the natural, how much more will He not spare us.. but in Romans 11:26 and so ALL Israel wil be saved.

  this is what i mean la
• laurence82

  30 Jul 06, 23:53

  Whatever it is, the Jews suffered a lot. Somehow, they shouldnt be.
• shade343

  30 Jul 06, 23:53

  Originally posted by NT2:

  The Bible says there is NO salvation for those who does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
  
  Salvation in Christianity comes by personal faith in Jesus, not by bloodline...ancestry nor by mere head knowledge.

  The bible doesnt say that. Only Ignorant Humans say that.
• Advante_101

  31 Jul 06, 00:09

  I say..Dun waste ur time talking to christians..They always have an answer for everything..Eventhough u catch them by the balls liao THEY still got answers for u one..Peace out
• breytonhartge

  31 Jul 06, 00:09

  Originally posted by NT2:

  this is what i mean la

  sorry ah... misread
• NT2

  31 Jul 06, 00:13

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  sorry ah... misread

  bro come online leh
• breytonhartge

  31 Jul 06, 00:29

  Originally posted by NT2:

  bro come online leh

  why?