Church spending disillusion many- where's the governance?

• stupidissmart

  26 Aug 06, 08:49

  I know of somebody who has been very much more aggressive in "educating" Christians on their own beliefs. You think I'm "bashing", many others also find that you're "bashing". It doesn't end

  I have given my rational when I stat my stand before I come out with the conclusion. Do u give your rational when u state your conclusion ? Frankly I do not know why I bother to answer a troll
  
  

  I did not say you take everything and believe it at face value. But you have cynism that makes sceptics look like dolls. The problem is not with asking you to believe, but you knee-jerk reaction that what everyone else is telling you are lies. Worse still, you put meanings in the words of others that was not intended (you have a reputation for that).

  When I state tat wat they r telling r "lies", I had elaborate why I say them followed by reasonings, website, evidence etc. When people had given an example, I had every right to give my form of example by using back the one the other had used before. In a way I believe tis will make the other understand it better. They r free to do the same to me and they did do it.
  
  

  You have an opinion of me, others have an opinion of you. But I'm not like you in the sense I won't do this to people who are not like you. Even if they have different perspectives from me, I do not go on the offensive and say that they're brainwashes and too stupid to realise their mistakes just because they hold a different perspective. You come across as rebutting for the sake of rebutting

  As said before, I give my reasonings and evidence before I state my conclusions. There r people who did exactly the same to me, in fact worse because they do not even give any reasoning or evidence. R u any different ? If I am a christian and arguing for the cause of christainity, will u start off personal trollish atack on me I don't think so looking at how u treat davidche, and your response telling him to ignore me
  
  

  I may seem to take the topic out of point but I don't see or rather I don't respect you and the likes of you enough to warrant a genuine discussion about the topic. You may think that's any excuse to protect my belief but really it's not. Being personal? Make of it what you will.

  Sure, u don't need to discuss with me. But do u have to disrupt the flow U can disagree with me and state it out. If u have bad opinion of me, u can simply pm me and I just totally ignore it Do u have to launch personal attack and disrupt the flow of discussion ? Tat is destructive and trollish. Imagine all threads degenerated into arguments between individuals
  
  

  You have a well deserved reputation of being a troll. I did not suddenly thrust upon you. What you're trying to lay on me is a different thing. Nice try though.

  Nice try ? Come on face it. U r a troll, and u can't say why u r not.
  
  

  Nothing anybody can do about it if you keep putting words in other's mouth. It's not that you lack sense(different issue), you contrive your own sense in other people's words.

  Give me an example. If u claim something back it up
  
  

  He is not a missionary. And not every Christian or pastor is like him

  He is not an exceptonal case. He is not the only pastor like tis In fact there seems to be growing trends tat more pastors r becoming something like him. He do start churches in other countries and tat make me wanna ask why he is not a missionary.
  
  
• SumOne

  26 Aug 06, 12:32

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  I have given my rational when I stat my stand before I come out with the conclusion. Do u give your rational when u state your conclusion ? Frankly I do not know why I bother to answer a troll
  

  Ha ha ha. I don't post like this on just anyone.
  
  

  When I state tat wat they r telling r "lies", I had elaborate why I say them followed by reasonings, website, evidence etc. When people had given an example, I had every right to give my form of example by using back the one the other had used before. In a way I believe tis will make the other understand it better. They r free to do the same to me and they did do it.

  You have a right to respond, but it's different when it's responding for the sake of it. And you are known for responding people with twisted versions of their own posts.
  
  

  As said before, I give my reasonings and evidence before I state my conclusions. There r people who did exactly the same to me, in fact worse because they do not even give any reasoning or evidence. R u any different ? If I am a christian and arguing for the cause of christainity, will u start off personal trollish atack on me I don't think so looking at how u treat davidche, and your response telling him to ignore me

  Evidence, your posts are there for all to see. As for davidche, quite honestly I do not come across his posts as often as yours. Say of him what you will. But just remember I generally don't reply to you like how I would reply most people.
  
  

  Sure, u don't need to discuss with me. But do u have to disrupt the flow U can disagree with me and state it out. If u have bad opinion of me, u can simply pm me and I just totally ignore it Do u have to launch personal attack and disrupt the flow of discussion ? Tat is destructive and trollish. Imagine all threads degenerated into arguments between individuals

  I think I've given my "rationale" on that already.
• SumOne

  26 Aug 06, 12:33

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Nice try ? Come on face it. U r a troll, and u can't say why u r not.
  

  Ha ha ha. Amusing. I'm not the one with a reputation.
• SumOne

  26 Aug 06, 12:39

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  He is not an exceptonal case. He is not the only pastor like tis In fact there seems to be growing trends tat more pastors r becoming something like him. He do start churches in other countries and tat make me wanna ask why he is not a missionary.

  Quite frankly, I don't really see any actual statistic, but I'm not saying you have no basis on that. But for the record, I will just state that not all pastors are like Kong. And to repeat, not all Christians are from city harvest.
• stupidissmart

  26 Aug 06, 17:04

  Ha ha ha. I don't post like this on just anyone.

  Yup, u just post it on oppositions to christainity.
  
  

  You have a right to respond, but it's different when it's responding for the sake of it. And you are known for responding people with twisted versions of their own posts.

  If i present my ideas out, with al the needed evidence etc, based on wat ground can u say I am "responsing for the sake of it". Your own interpretation ? Known for responding people with "twisted versions" ? Show it then. Elaborate. I have offer u the challenge many times now, why just bash and run ?
  
  

  Evidence, your posts are there for all to see. As for davidche, quite honestly I do not come across his posts as often as yours. Say of him what you will. But just remember I generally don't reply to you like how I would reply most people.

  Since it is for all to see, show it. U generally don't reply to me like wat u would reply to other. I can say the same ting about u as well. I generally do not response to u the same way I respond to other people.
  
  

  I think I've given my "rationale" on that already

  And my accusation is really justified because u really disrupt the flow of discussion and tis thread had degenerated into flame thread. It is trollish and undesirable. Wat has any of the reply do with church soending now ?
  
  

  Ha ha ha. Amusing. I'm not the one with a reputation.

  Probably because I have write most replies in EH while u write them somewhere else ?
  
  

  Quite frankly, I don't really see any actual statistic, but I'm not saying you have no basis on that. But for the record, I will just state that not all pastors are like Kong. And to repeat, not all Christians are from city harvest.

  I can say tat there r increasing number of christians becomong more like chc, as well as pastors. CHC r not the only church tat act as such and the number of christians under their wings r not insignificant. Can u deny tis statement ? And if u felt tat your church do not make u tilth as much, then the statement is not for u, but for those who had tilth too excessively.
• Insomic

  2 Sep 06, 15:22

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  I can say tat there r increasing number of christians becomong more like chc, as well as pastors. CHC r not the only church tat act as such and the number of christians under their wings r not insignificant. Can u deny tis statement ? And if u felt tat your church do not make u tilth as much, then the statement is not for u, but for those who had tilth too excessively.

  I always thought that Churches always extort their members? And based on some of your other posts and posts by others, doesn't that seem to be the case?
  
  Now I'm confused.
  
  Btw, I thought I remember seeing you post in Speaker's Corner as well? But I may have mixed up.