A sermon to share: Sinners in the hands of an angry God
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Ironically, it seems to me that what you just said is actually close to some basic tenets of Christianity.Originally posted by stupidissmart:if u ask me, if the emphasis is sinning, obviously the less u sin, the better a person "contributes". On wat law ? Obviously the gravity of consequences or the amount of damage done to society is an important considerations. Intentions had to be included as well. U can't be blamed for things u cannot control. Generally, the general law made by men is very much a fair gauge. Compared with the christian system, where people r condemn simply because of their belief, and made a sinner because adam (who is not u) ate an apple is absurb Rolling Eyes
1. You spoke about "Less u sin, the better a person contributes" - Well, it is taught in the Bible that even if one is a Christian, he should reckon himself dead to sin and alive in Christ. Practically speaking, contrary to what many dissenters said, the life of a Christian is actually much more on seeking to achieve righteouness through the Grace of Christ, and very much hinged on repentence - turning to the Lord. Christians shall not yield - to darkness and that itself is a "walk" rather than "sleep". (Romans 6) And u got it ! The less a person sin, the better he or she is able to contribute in Glory for the Lord ! For then, he can be focused on feasting on His Words and their applications !
2. "Gravity of consquences / damage done to society" - Yes indeed - the sin of one man actually has greater consequences than one would think. For example, Person A rob a elderly woman. This elderly woman then got no money to feed her sick grandchild. The child died. “Then David said to Nathan, ‘I have sinned against the Lord.’ Nathan replied, ‘The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt, the son born to you will die” 2 Samuel 12:13,14.
But then, does men has the wisdom to know exactly, what are the true consquences ? how far does these consquences stretch ? does one trace or define ? Can one man argue to the other that the such viewing of consqeunces are subjective ? I would think definitely.
And do we always want to regret our actions only in the face of consequences ? Or in the Light of Jesus who teaches us what to avoid ?
3. Intentions - Yes again. For example,
Acts 8:19-23 (Phi) "Give me [Simon the Sorcerer] this power too, so that if I were to put my hands on anyone he would receive the Holy Spirit." But Peter said to him, "To hell with you and your money! How dare you think you could buy the gift of God for money!.. your heart is not honest before God... repent of this wickedness of yours and pray earnestly to the Lord that if possible the evil intention of your heart will be forgiven. For I can see inside you, and I see a man bitter with jealousy and bound with his own sin!"
But good intentions alone does not make one right with God for those intentions are perhaps only as good as the man who have them made it to be.
Men are created to be Good - in God's image. But it is the choice of men to want to surpass the power and wisdom of God that makes them fall. We all see this happening in history over and over and over again. And did God warn us about this ? Definitely ! so blame who ?
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Well, the "Christian System" is not just about Adam and the apple. It is about what you have actually mentioned, and so much more.
Alas, SIS - you knew much but do not know who is the One who offered you that knowledge. Seek Him. You will find out so much more about yourself.
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Define cause problems to society. Those old unkers who go Chinatown bio charbor and follow them....not a problem meh?
Is not a problem
If they do too much like following them and chasing them even if they knew they made the girls terrified, then it is counted as a sin, abeit a small one, and then it will cumulate and he got judged when he died
As said, if u kill a person, then u commit a serious sin, u get, lets say, 1000,000 points of sinning. If u do something of little significant like following girls, u get maybe 10. If they r scared of yet u still chase, then 100. And so on and so forth. If u gossip, and it is of no significance, then u get none. If u maliciously spread tales which u made it up to intentionally cause problem to tat guy, u get maybe 100 etc. If u commit some sin unintentionally, such as your flower pot land on someone head and kill him, u get a punishment in between such as 1000 etc. U don't get the full 1000,000 because it is unintentional.
In the end your total score for your lifetime determine how severe the punishment is mete out to u. If u commit very little sin and u get about a 1000, then u get a slap on your palm. If u commit let say a few hundred million, then u get to be burn or grind or cut for 1000 years etc. In fact it can be simpler by the making the score as the amount of seconds u get to be burnt in hell. U can believe in any grand dandy tales as your religion but the final outcome is solely based on the amount of sins u committed.
Is tis system hard to understand ? Isn't tis system so much more acceptable to everyone.
Ironically, it seems to me that what you just said is actually close to some basic tenets of Christianity.1. You spoke about "Less u sin, the better a person contributes" - Well, it is taught in the Bible that even if one is a Christian, he should reckon himself dead to sin and alive in Christ. Practically speaking, contrary to what many dissenters said, the life of a Christian is actually much more on seeking to achieve righteouness through the Grace of Christ, and very much hinged on repentence - turning to the Lord. Christians shall not yield - to darkness and that itself is a "walk" rather than "sleep". (Romans 6) And u got it ! The less a person sin, the better he or she is able to contribute in Glory for the Lord ! For then, he can be focused on feasting on His Words and their applications !
As said, the problem is non-christians go to the hell even though they do lesser sins. Ti already made it a less than desirable system. -
Juz remember, and think about this if u must.
神不需要人，人却需要神。于是人就从泥土制造了神。
God dont need man, but Man needs God. So Man made up a God (for himself of coz
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Given the stories in the Bible, there're soooo many things to show that the christian's God is not perfect Himself (definition as accepted in the most logical sense). A jealous character CANNOT be perfect. Yet u say He's perfect. Strange what one can say when one's mind is in a twirl.
Juz admit that God is not Perfect, and He chooses whoever He likes to be with Him in Heaven. He makes up His own rules, fine, nothing to argue with that. But please dont change the meaning of words -
points system,....Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said, the problem is non-christians go to the hell even though they do lesser sins. Ti already made it a less than desirable system.
how about this..., instead of points, lets calls this a debt.
The Bible says, everyone is born with the sin of Adam in them....
so everyone start with a certain amount of debt (says X amount)
if you do any bad things, depending on how bad it is, more debt is added to it.
if say, you do some good deeds, some credits can be added to this to offset your debts.
fair?
so if debts is reduce to zero, you can go heaven, if cannot, then hell.
how does this sounds to you? -
wah like dat u can be god liao.....esp the last para if u are god i think everybody will get cut or burnt in hell for a few seconds or more.......becoz everyone has sinned b4.....Originally posted by stupidissmart:Is not a problem If they do too much like following them and chasing them even if they knew they made the girls terrified, then it is counted as a sin, abeit a small one, and then it will cumulate and he got judged when he died
As said, if u kill a person, then u commit a serious sin, u get, lets say, 1000,000 points of sinning. If u do something of little significant like following girls, u get maybe 10. If they r scared of yet u still chase, then 100. And so on and so forth. If u gossip, and it is of no significance, then u get none. If u maliciously spread tales which u made it up to intentionally cause problem to tat guy, u get maybe 100 etc. If u commit some sin unintentionally, such as your flower pot land on someone head and kill him, u get a punishment in between such as 1000 etc. U don't get the full 1000,000 because it is unintentional.
In the end your total score for your lifetime determine how severe the punishment is mete out to u. If u commit very little sin and u get about a 1000, then u get a slap on your palm. If u commit let say a few hundred million, then u get to be burn or grind or cut for 1000 years etc. In fact it can be simpler by the making the score as the amount of seconds u get to be burnt in hell. U can believe in any grand dandy tales as your religion but the final outcome is solely based on the amount of sins u committed.
Is tis system hard to understand ? Isn't tis system so much more acceptable to everyone.
what if u just miss heaven by 1 pt? Too bad?
or u be good boy at first but unfortunately u commit one big sin that immediately accumulated a million pts? Too bad?
The truth you illustrated above shows that, regardless of how many pts accumulated, u still sin.
Tat's why we can't go heaven by what we do, only thru Christ, who is sinless. -
What do u mean by lesser sins ?Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said, the problem is non-christians go to the hell even though they do lesser sins. Ti already made it a less than desirable system.
What about stealing and lying - which one is "lesser" ? -
Juz admit that God is not Perfect
just to add on an unfair god, which is an idea universally accepted by chrsitan is not perfect toopoints system,....
Tat is where the difference comes in. Men don't inherit debts
how about this..., instead of points, lets calls this a debt.
The Bible says, everyone is born with the sin of Adam in them....
so everyone start with a certain amount of debt (says X amount)
if you do any bad things, depending on how bad it is, more debt is added to it.
if say, you do some good deeds, some credits can be added to this to offset your debts.
| R u there when adam is around ? Can u control in any way when he eat the fruit. As such why do u have to pay the peanlty for wat your ancestors did ? So u believe tat the sons and all his decendents of a murderer have to die with his father ?wah like dat u can be god liao.....esp the last para if u are god i think everybody will get cut or burnt in hell for a few seconds or more.......becoz everyone has sinned b4.....
I am not being god, I am just using the possibility of having god power but use in a Man made system called law, a being which some feel to be too stupid to be acceptable. If u can find a loophole for tis system u have found a loophole in the world legislative system. In fact some taoist use tis idea as a way to discourage people from committing sins. In the divine sense, after u pay the price for your sin by being in hell in seconds, u can go to heaven or something if u like.
what if u just miss heaven by 1 pt? Too bad?or u be good boy at first but unfortunately u commit one big sin that immediately accumulated a million pts? Too bad?
So u felt tat a person murdering someone should be let off lightly ? If the person who dies is also a good boy when he is young and when he is old and inocently got killed and the killer is off lightly is justice for u ?The truth you illustrated above shows that, regardless of how many pts accumulated, u still sin.
Tat is where another problem with the idea of christianity comes again. The way u can sin is so trivial and so silly tat u all can proclaim it is impossible for men to come off sinless. Then god blame u even though u may try your best. It is like forcing people to go and swim then being punish for being wet. If tat sounds logical and fair to u then i can only your sense of justice and fairness is clouded by religion
Tat's why we can't go heaven by what we do, only thru Christ, who is sinless.What do u mean by lesser sins ?
Obviously the consequences is important. If u lie to just politely decline a date, then u get 0 points. If u lie to cheat your boss and u can cheat money for yourself, then u get a high point. If u steal fod before the meal, obviously u get 0 points as well. If u steal money from an old lady then u deserve a high demerit points too. Tis is obviously a much fairer and easy system isn't it
What about stealing and lying - which one is "lesser" ? -
lets face it, there is this thing call Genetic inheritance, and also whatever the father do, will more of less affect his children.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Tat is where the difference comes in. Men don't inherit debts Rolling Eyes R u there when adam is around ? Can u control in any way when he eat the fruit. As such why do u have to pay the peanlty for wat your ancestors did ? So u believe tat the sons and all his decendents of a murderer have to die with his father ?
we chinese have this saying, Fu Zai Zhi Huan (literal translation: Debt of the father, is to be repay by his children).
comparing both hypothesis, yours in focusing on not doing bad, while mine goes one step further that is on top on not doing bad, have to do enough good also.
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Ok....let say ur system is apt.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Obviously the consequences is important. If u lie to just politely decline a date, then u get 0 points. If u lie to cheat your boss and u can cheat money for yourself, then u get a high point. If u steal fod before the meal, obviously u get 0 points as well. If u steal money from an old lady then u deserve a high demerit points too. Tis is obviously a much fairer and easy system isn't it
Who then shall decide on the allocation of these points ?
Based on your theory, men's system is not bad at all - so care to enlighten me which Man or Group of Men can preside over your suggested point system ?
Will you be one of these men ? -
This is a war on two fronts.
General deer and vince, servants of God, handling SIS.
Hmm .. what is this .. maginot line? -
somehow this sounds very familiar...Originally posted by Icemoon:This is a war on two fronts.
General deer and vince, servants of God, handling SIS.
Hmm .. what is this .. maginot line? -
when where what who?Originally posted by breytonhartge:somehow this sounds very familiar... -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:I am not being god, I am just using the possibility of having god power but use in a Man made system called law, a being which some feel to be too stupid to be acceptable. If u can find a loophole for tis system u have found a loophole in the world legislative system. In fact some taoist use tis idea as a way to discourage people from committing sins. In the divine sense, after u pay the price for your sin by being in hell in seconds, u can go to heaven or something if u like.
I agree with u lots of loopholes in man-made things. Which is why we need God, and not man-made things.
So u felt tat a person murdering someone should be let off lightly ? If the person who dies is also a good boy when he is young and when he is old and inocently got killed and the killer is off lightly is justice for u ?
I tend to think that if the person who murdered someone is truely repentant, he should be forgiven even in the last min. Even though he might be hanged on earth for his crimes he should still be able to go paradise.
If the person who dies is a good boy, then he should be able to go paradise too.
This is how God treats each and every one of us. He would save us even in the last min. Ur blood for blood theory is appealing to humans but not gracious
Tat is where another problem with the idea of christianity comes again. The way u can sin is so trivial and so silly tat u all can proclaim it is impossible for men to come off sinless. Then god blame u even though u may try your best. It is like forcing people to go and swim then being punish for being wet. If tat sounds logical and fair to u then i can only your sense of justice and fairness is clouded by religion
Yes you try ur best.....but how best is God's best? If going by your standards, everyone have sinned and all of us would have to suffer in hell, either temporal or eternal. -
the other thread...Originally posted by Icemoon:when where what who? -
lets face it, there is this thing call Genetic inheritance, and also whatever the father do, will more of less affect his children.
From a modern point of view, tis is an outdated and unfair practise tat has probably been aborted since the last few centuries. As said if your father is a someone like hitler, u will probably go and kill all his innocent decendents to pay back his father debt. As said if a person is not involved, he shouldn''t be punish just because they r relatives.
we chinese have this saying, Fu Zai Zhi Huan (literal translation: Debt of the father, is to be repay by his children). If u agree then u must agree tat all the decendent of hitler and other cruel emperors of the past have to die even though they have nothing to do with ancestors' actions
In chinese there is also "zhu jiu zu", which means killing all your relatives for an offense u made, so u agree with it too ? Chinese also have "ren zi" where they cut off the arms, leg, eyes, tongue, ears of a person and throw them into the toilet to die. So since tis is a chinese saying it must make sense to do it to others ?comparing both hypothesis, yours in focusing on not doing bad, while mine goes one step further that is on top on not doing bad, have to do enough good also.
However your system emphasis on unfairness classification of people. Your system is unfair and as such fails in every aspect. Imagine giving heavier sentence to a negro than to a caucasian for the same offence committed. U think it is desirable ? Now change the words of negro to non-christians and caucasian to christians of the above example
now, which one do you think is betterWho then shall decide on the allocation of these points ?
Since tis is a "divine" judgement, where people r punished after the die, then from your religion point of view tat guy is god Being omnipotent and omniscience and omnipresent etc giving the correct amount of points for a person is cupcake. However he rather choose a system whereby non-believer r throw into hell without even looking at the amount of points he accuminateI agree with u lots of loopholes in man-made things. Which is why we need God, and not man-made things.
I never say there r lot of loopholes in man made things. Please read back againI tend to think that if the person who murdered someone is truely repentant, he should be forgiven even in the last min. Even though he might be hanged on earth for his crimes he should still be able to go paradise.
Then u don't believe in justice and u rather let a murderer go than a non-believer. The murderer kill a non-believer, and he goes to heaven while the non-believer goes to hell. Tat just sounds real fair
If the person who dies is a good boy, then he should be able to go paradise too.
This is how God treats each and every one of us. He would save us even in the last min. Ur blood for blood theory is appealing to humans but not graciousYes you try ur best.....but how best is God's best? If going by your standards, everyone have sinned and all of us would have to suffer in hell, either temporal or eternal.
Then u r suggesting everybody to commit as much sins and crimes as possible since in the end everybody get the same treatment. Is tat god best ? Then tat is a god who promote sinning -
ok, lets forget about christian/non-christian for a moment, in fact lets take religion/race/nationality/status out of the equation.Originally posted by stupidissmart:However your system emphasis on unfairness classification of people. Your system is unfair and as such fails in every aspect. Imagine giving heavier sentence to a negro than to a caucasian for the same offence committed. U think it is desirable ? Now change the words of negro to non-christians and caucasian to christians of the above example
lets say everyone start with the same debt amount (X amount) at birth alternatively you can call this a benchmark so everyone have to achieve certains points to get into heaven.
lets even make it easier for the sake of simpilicity and discussion sake (of course you can make it as complex as you want)
1 credit point if you do a good deed
1 debit point if you do a bad deed
exceed the benchmark, go to heaven
failed the benchmark, to hell
a note to add, not doing bad only means the person is not bad (he may not even had done anything at all), one need to be doing good to be consider good, and the benchmark is to ensure only those good enough can enter heaven (not bad enough does not means its good enough)
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ok, lets forget about christian/non-christian for a moment, in fact lets take religion/race/nationality/status out of the equation.
Anyway, the whole idea of the argument is to show tat the idea of heaven hell etc is totally based on your religion and not on whether u had commit good or not. If u wanna take out christian/non-christian etc out of the equation, the original objective of the argument is lost.lets even make it easier for the sake of simpilicity and discussion sake (of course you can make it as complex as you want)
To me tis is still lacking, since first, for a bad deed there r various degree of magnitude to it. U can't grade murder and rape to be just 1 debit point which is the same as magnitude as littering or gossipping.
1 credit point if you do a good deed
1 debit point if you do a bad deed
exceed the benchmark, go to heaven
failed the benchmark, to hell
Secondly when comes to judgement, the magnitude is important as well. The person who had commit more bad deeds should be punish more than a person who had commit lesser bad deeds. In your case a person who kill 1000 people may get the same punishment with a person who had just litter throughout his life. Tis again is unfair. In my case, u get to be punish according to the amount of bad deeds u had committed.a note to add, not doing bad only means the person is not bad (he may not even had done anything at all), one need to be doing good to be consider good, and the benchmark is to ensure only those good enough can enter heaven (not bad enough does not means its good enough
Tis I take a different stand from u. A person who had done no wrong should not deserve any punishment such as going to hell. Even though he may not do anything right, he should not be punished. In your case it is similar to forcing everybody to go to jail when they did not do volunteer service -
what you say about the grading/punishment is correct, but like I say, the 1 point/1 punishment system is just for the sake of keeping the discussion simple (since neither of us can implement anything anyway).Originally posted by stupidissmart:To me tis is still lacking, since first, for a bad deed there r various degree of magnitude to it. U can't grade murder and rape to be just 1 debit point which is the same as magnitude as littering or gossipping.
Secondly when comes to judgement, the magnitude is important as well. The person who had commit more bad deeds should be punish more than a person who had commit lesser bad deeds. In your case a person who kill 1000 people may get the same punishment with a person who had just litter throughout his life. Tis again is unfair. In my case, u get to be punish according to the amount of bad deeds u had committed. -
as u know, i am a little deer - so more concerned with drinking water than fighting. please dont pull me into your CRO warline.Originally posted by Icemoon:This is a war on two fronts.
General deer and vince, servants of God, handling SIS.
Hmm .. what is this .. maginot line? -
as stated in the second part, the magnitude of punishment should be considered and the people are punished according. If, as long as u fail the benchmark instead of dealing proportionally, then it is the same as giving out death sentence to every offence in this world. Littering is death penalty, illegal parking is death penalty, jay walking is death penalty and not flushing the toilet is death penalty. Tat again is ridiculous
Furthermore, for my part on judgement system, mitigation is a area of venue where your good deeds r considered before meting out punishment. Same as in the law of court today. If u r a good person doing volunteer service every week and u commit theft unwittedly, u get a lesser punishment. In fact mitigation can show mercy to people if needed such as giving much lesser punishment for a person who steal food because he is hungry etc.
Fomr my part of justice, it persistently discourage people from sinning. For your idea, it encourage good people to sin. (since good people have enough credit points and thus face no problems if they do a few sins here and there) IMO the law made by men is still superior -
Dear SIS,Originally posted by stupidissmart:Since tis is a "divine" judgement, where people r punished after the die, then from your religion point of view tat guy is god Rolling Eyes Being omnipotent and omniscience and omnipresent etc giving the correct amount of points for a person is cupcake. However he rather choose a system whereby non-believer r throw into hell without even looking at the amount of points he accuminate
i am not asking about what you think of my "religious pov".
i am more interested to know about who do you think should be allocating all those points you mentioned.
And please note that far from what the CRO assumed, there is no malice or intention to go to war with you from my part.
i am just really, interested to know more about your viewpoint and thinking, so that i, a little deer can learn more.
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The purpose of my argument is to show tat the real purpose of hell, from a christian point of view is to throw non-believer in instead of sinners. If u r not christian, then it is not about u.
As stated, it is "divine" judgement where people r punish acording to their sins when they r alive. Since it is "divine" it has to be done by someone "supernatural". If u r a christian/muslim/jew, then an appropriate person is to do tis job is god. Who is the one who judge men in the end of time according to scripture ? If u r some idol worshipper/taoist, then the magistrate of hell do the job. If u r a buddhist, the karma can do the job. The point is to show tat a fair system of judgement is possible and easy. However strangely some being chooses an unfair system to carry out justice and clearly shows tat sinning become an irrelevant criteria -
Just one thing to add, not doing bad does not means its good, it just means the person is not bad, and doing good does not means good enough to enter into heaven, the benchmark to enter heaven is to be able to do it perfectly reason being, God is perfect, and anything that is short of being perfect is not acceptable.Originally posted by stupidissmart:as stated in the second part, the magnitude of punishment should be considered and the people are punished according. If, as long as u fail the benchmark instead of dealing proportionally, then it is the same as giving out death sentence to every offence in this world. Littering is death penalty, illegal parking is death penalty, jay walking is death penalty and not flushing the toilet is death penalty. Tat again is ridiculous
Furthermore, for my part on judgement system, mitigation is a area of venue where your good deeds r considered before meting out punishment. Same as in the law of court today. If u r a good person doing volunteer service every week and u commit theft unwittedly, u get a lesser punishment. In fact mitigation can show mercy to people if needed such as giving much lesser punishment for a person who steal food because he is hungry etc.
Fomr my part of justice, it persistently discourage people from sinning. For your idea, it encourage good people to sin. (since good people have enough credit points and thus face no problems if they do a few sins here and there) IMO the law made by men is still superior -
Just one thing to add, not doing bad does not means its good, it just means the person is not bad, and doing good does not means good enough to enter into heaven, the benchmark to enter heaven is to be able to do it perfectly reason being, God is perfect, and anything that is short of being perfect is not acceptable.
First, an unfair god is not perfect If your father is a doctor, u must be a doctor or greater otherwise u can be killed by your father since anything short of your father is unaceptable? Tis is again twisted logic here. Furthermore, u r designed to be different from god. God is omnipotent, r u omnipotent ? God can have anything he want. Can u have anything u want ? If I can have everything I want, I will not sin either. Will anybody sin if they can have everything they want ? No, because there is no longer a reason to sin. They don't need to steal because they have all the money in the world. They don't need to rape because they can have any girls they want. They don't need to murder because everyone have everything they want and won't have conflict of interest. Comparing god to men is double standard comparison.
Furthermore we r talking about a punishment (going to hell) here. Not doing good deeds just meant u do not deserve a reward but is should not meant punishment. U punish your kids when they do something wrong, not when they did not do good enough. -
to the BibleOriginally posted by stupidissmart:First, an unfair god is not perfect If your father is a doctor, u must be a doctor or greater otherwise u can be killed by your father since anything short of your father is unaceptable? Tis is again twisted logic here. Furthermore, u r designed to be different from god. God is omnipotent, r u omnipotent ? God can have anything he want. Can u have anything u want ? If I can have everything I want, I will not sin either. Will anybody sin if they can have everything they want ? No, because there is no longer a reason to sin. They don't need to steal because they have all the money in the world. They don't need to rape because they can have any girls they want. They don't need to murder because everyone have everything they want and won't have conflict of interest. Comparing god to men is double standard comparison.
Furthermore we r talking about a punishment (going to hell) here. Not doing good deeds just meant u do not deserve a reward but is should not meant punishment. U punish your kids when they do something wrong, not when they did not do good enough. Matthew 20
so, is God fair?
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
1"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. 2He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3"About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5So they went.
"He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. 6About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'
7" 'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.
"He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'
8"When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'
9"The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. 10So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12'These men who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'
13"But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?'
16"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
Jesus Again Predicts His Death
yes, if man insisted on being judged according to what they do, then man have to meet the standard set by God for doing them right. Its like going taking an exam, a student must answer the questions based on the standard set by the eaxmination board.
Can God choose to be generous to those who choose to put their trust on Him instead of their own works? Since its is done out of His own abundance, who can say He cannot?
Let me ask you a question, will you give your money to everyone you see on the road? or only to those you want to give?