A sermon to share: Sinners in the hands of an angry God
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OrhOriginally posted by M©+square:me not jon edwards leh.
Hmm, i wonder if the people who wanted to dislocate their neck and shoulders also understand him or not -
Originally posted by Ironside:
Yes, and for now. - It's only famous. Minus the fire and power of the Message.
yes, it will have the same convicting effect [b]IF the Holy Spirit accompanies the message in the hearts of the listeners.
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we by ourselves cannot make ourself perfect.Originally posted by laurence82:bo link leh
especially in the last line
that's why we need Christ who is perfect to come and make us perfect.
Story:
a ticket booth was set up to sell ticket into Heaven, the ticket is free, but only perfect person can get the ticket from the booth.
the problem is, no one is perfect, and so no one can get the ticket.
along came Christ who is perfect, He walks up to the booth, show and proof His perfection, get the tickets. Now, Christ have the tickets, He then announce, whoever want a ticket can go to Him for one.
some people quickly form a line and get the ticket from him. others are sceptical and do not believe Him, yet others are proud and insist that they too can achieve perfection on their own.
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I know that this is not really a good anology, but for our discussion, this should do, the thing is this, though Christ had paid the price to make us perfect and righteous to qualify entry into Heaven, there will always be people who cannot/refuse to believe its simplicity, or His goodness, of course there will be people who rather believe in their own efforts to get into heaven.
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we don't know about that.Originally posted by M©+square:Yes, and for now. - It's only famous. Minus the fire and power of the Message.
it maybe God has used that sermon to certain individuals throughout the world.
maybe not to you but we don't know about the others. -
Now IF have another friend - MAYBE.Originally posted by Ironside:we don't know about that.
it maybe God has used that sermon to certain individuals throughout the world.
maybe not to you but we don't know about the others.
Yes...and please stop editing....hahahaha -
i used maybe because we don't now the works of God right this moment.Originally posted by M©+square:Now IF have another friend - MAYBE.
Yes...and please stop editing....hahahaha
MAYBE God is using that sermon now to someone here who has visited EH.
and MAYBE someone is reading that sermon now in another part of the world and just got saved. God is at work all the time -
I think your analogy is better than your statement just nowOriginally posted by vince69:we by ourselves cannot make ourself perfect.
that's why we need Christ who is perfect to come and make us perfect.
Story:
a ticket booth was set up to sell ticket into Heaven, the ticket is free, but only perfect person can get the ticket from the booth.
the problem is, no one is perfect, and so no one can get the ticket.
along came Christ who is perfect, He walks up to the booth, show and proof His perfection, get the tickets. Now, Christ have the tickets, He then announce, whoever want a ticket can go to Him for one.
some people quickly form a line and get the ticket from him. others are sceptical and do not believe Him, yet others are proud and insist that they too can achieve perfection on their own.
/Story Ends
I know that this is not really a good anology, but for our discussion, this should do, the thing is this, though Christ had paid the price to make us perfect and righteous to qualify entry into Heaven, there will always be people who cannot/refuse to believe its simplicity, or His goodness, of course there will be people who rather believe in their own efforts to get into heaven.
It makes things heck lot clearer -
Originally posted by Ironside:
Alamak....so serious.
i used maybe because we don't now the works of God right this moment.
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MAYBE God is using that sermon now to someone here who has visited EH.
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This place not suitable for me.
Chao! -
awww..duplicate
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Thank you, I am still learningOriginally posted by laurence82:I think your analogy is better than your statement just now
It makes things heck lot clearer -
Got linkOriginally posted by laurence82:bo link leh
especially in the last line
U, me = imperfect. Whatever we do cannot let us enter heaven. So we are doomed.
Christ = perfect man/God. Died for us on the cross for all our sins. We made righteous becoz Christ is righteous. So we can enter heaven. -
dun need be sorry la...u always answer things quite wellOriginally posted by Ironside:if the Holy Spirit accompanies it my friend. Oh sorry i meant to answer Laoda's post. sorry
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Originally posted by Ironside:
my view is: pple will koonzzzzz (like what icemoon says)
yes, it will have the same convicting effect [b]IF the Holy Spirit accompanies the message in the hearts of the listeners.
a reply to laoda's statement:
"hmmm...wonder if a pastor preach the same sermon again, will he have the same effect?"
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everyone wanna listen to good things now: blessings (god will multiply 1000 fold if u put 10 dollar in the offering bag) -
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Idoit larOriginally posted by laoda99:Got link
U, me = imperfect. Whatever we do cannot let us enter heaven. So we are doomed.
Christ = perfect man/God. Died for us on the cross for all our sins. We made righteous becoz Christ is righteous. So we can enter heaven.
Unker Vince is clearer
Got question
If accepting christ means you are made righteous and perfect, so any christian walking down the street now is righteous and perfect?
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isnt gospel the good news? why they will be sleeping?Originally posted by laoda99:my view is: pple will koonzzzzz (like what icemoon says)
everyone wanna listen to good things now: blessings (god will multiply 1000 fold if u put 10 dollar in the offering bag) -
it is good news only to those whom the Holy Spirit convicts.Originally posted by laurence82:isnt gospel the good news? why they will be sleeping?
the litmus test - lau, issit good news to you? -
.. in the eyes of God only.Originally posted by laurence82:Idoit lar
Unker Vince is clearer
Got question
If accepting christ means you are made righteous and perfect, so any christian walking down the street now is righteous and perfect? 
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I know litmus test.
Pink is for girl
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Wow, so only perfect people believe in christ?Originally posted by vince69:here is the hard part,
while most people would like to believe that human are born innocent, we christians believe that all human are born with the sin of Adam.
while most people would like to believe that good people go to heaven, we christians believe that only the perfect people goes to heaven. -
where did u get the idea?Originally posted by shade343:Wow, so only perfect people believe in christ? -
piangz... Christian not perfect people.... Christian acknowledge we are sinners ... that's why we need Christ to make us perfect and acceptable before God.Originally posted by shade343:Wow, so only perfect people believe in christ?
If people can achieve perfection on their own, then they don't need Christ liao. -
wah leow .. to think Shady read a lot of bible.Originally posted by vince69:piangz... Christian not perfect people.... Christian acknowledge we are sinners ... that's why we need Christ to make us perfect and acceptable before God.
If people can achieve perfection on their own, then they don't need Christ liao. -
Originally posted by vince69:piangz... Christian not perfect people.... Christian acknowledge we are sinners ... that's why we need Christ to make us perfect and acceptable before God.
If people can achieve perfection on their own, then they don't need Christ liao. -
So the holy spirit fill the audience lar? thats why they bang head against wall and pillars?Originally posted by Icemoon:it is good news only to those whom the Holy Spirit convicts.
the litmus test - lau, issit good news to you?