american bishop believes homosexuality is not a sin
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I said that if that is the case, then there is no problem. Why is that so difficult to understand?Originally posted by Icemoon:Your reply is totally off tangent.
what friend or no friend? It is a simple scenario - as a girl you feel uncomfortable with a male friend inside a room, like sharing the hotel room with your colleague.
What's so difficult to understand?
If you are uncomfortable because you view them as sinners (you know the kind of look some people give to prostitutes?) then you have a seed of condemnation in your heart. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
don't throw the red herring. you where got say "used to be"?
How can Paul be condenming them when:
[b]And this is what some of you used to be. [/b]quote:
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Originally posted by casino_king:
10 Jesus, standing up, saw her and said, "Woman, where are your accusers? Did no one condemn you?"
11 She said, "No one, Lord." Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more."
Do you think that if she continues to sin Jesus will turn around and say: "I told you to go and sin no more, why did you not obey me? Now I have no choice but to stone you?"
Or will Jesus say again and again, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more?"
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siao .. you are the one who cannot understand, not me.Originally posted by casino_king:I said that if that is the case, then there is no problem. Why is that so difficult to understand?
If you are uncomfortable because you view them as sinners (you know the kind of look some people give to prostitutes?) then you have a seed of condemnation in your heart.
Told you liao .. look at prostitute your mind will be thinking of other things, in other words you'll be preoccupied.
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I took if from the verses you inserted into your post!Originally posted by Icemoon:
"quote:Originally posted by casino_king:
How can Paul be condenming them when:
And this is what some of you used to be.don't throw the red herring. you where got say "used to be"?
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
wait .. b4 i forget .. you haven't ans me how come Paul could condemn but we cannot?
I took if from the verses you inserted into your post!
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 [b]Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.[/b] -
How can Paul be condenming them when Paul also said:Originally posted by Icemoon:wait .. b4 i forget .. you haven't ans me how come Paul could condemn but we cannot?
And this is what some of you used to be. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
The red herring just got worse.
I took if from the verses you inserted into your post!
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
11 [b]Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.[/b]
First of all Jesus did say "go and sin no more". The woman in question, I don't think she is a Christian, so the sanctified and justified argument doesn't apply to her.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
He is condemning the people who are not "used to be".
How can Paul be condenming them when Paul also said:
[b]And this is what some of you used to be.
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if you port it to today's context, he would be condemning your favourite prostitute example in geylang. -
You must never condemn those geylang pros because And this is what some of you used to be.Originally posted by Icemoon:He is condemning the people who are not "used to be".
if you port it to today's context, he would be condemning your favourite prostitute example in geylang. -
and Jesus expects that she will never commit another sin again in her life? Or did Jesus not condemn her knowing full well that she will continue to sin?Originally posted by Icemoon:The red herring just got worse.
First of all Jesus did say "go and sin no more". The woman in question, I don't think she is a Christian, so the sanctified and justified argument doesn't apply to her.
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sorry GTG
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so which EH lady was a prostitute last time?Originally posted by casino_king:You must never condemn those geylang pros because And this is what some of you used to be.
Your arguments are getting more and more off.
Since the "used to be" label does not apply to most of us, so we can condemn right? -
why not you tell us the ans, with biblical support.Originally posted by casino_king:and Jesus expects that she will never commit another sin again in her life? Or did Jesus not condemn her knowing full well that she will continue to sin? -
of course you gtg.Originally posted by casino_king:sorry GTG
if you don't go now, then when?
you still want to lose more face? -
oh plz, when Jesus said go and sin no more its becos Jesus forgave her sins. nothing bout condemning ayone at all, so CK, plz don use that as ur example.
Also, Think bout when Elijah or Elisha advised the ppl to turn to God and saying that Bael is a fake god.... -
I'm more interested if CK could tell me what was Jesus doodling on the groundOriginally posted by Icemoon:why not you tell us the ans, with biblical support. 
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Originally posted by M©+square:I'm more interested if CK could tell me what was Jesus doodling on the ground
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prostitute? hmmm.. don't think I have friends from this occupation, homosexuals... not really, maybe they don't find me attractive enough.Originally posted by casino_king:You see that prostitutes have friends too. Can you ever be friends with a prostitute? Can you ever be friends with a homosexual? If you find it uncomfortable, impossible... there are seeds of condemnation in your heart (aside from you have no time... they are not your type and so on.)
But if someone tells you "I am a prostitute;" "I am a homosexual;" do you then in your head decide that this person is to be avoided at all costs?
wait a minute, thought there is someone here who said (let me go and check) when he see a homosexual couple holding hands, he want to puke, is he condemning them as well with his action?
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stop 'monkeying' around?Originally posted by Icemoon:of course you gtg.
if you don't go now, then when?
you still want to lose more face?
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Im asking wads ur decision, not hu shld decide. like i said, don beat around the bushOriginally posted by casino_king:Right or wrong is a decision up to the prostitutes to make... not you or I. As far as I know, Jesus did not condemn the prostitute.
and plz again take note that when jesus said go and sin no more it means that Jesus has forgiven her sins. What does jesus say to the pharosies(wrong spelling i know) and the part where he said that the temple shldnt be a market. also, if theres a sexy women hu wants to have sex with u , wld u?? if not ,y? if yes? y again -
I remember that as well.... CK did say he wanna puke....and that's a condemnation liao....he is homophobic!!!Originally posted by vince69:prostitute? hmmm.. don't think I have friends from this occupation, homosexuals... not really, maybe they don't find me attractive enough.
wait a minute, thought there is someone here who said (let me go and check) when he see a homosexual couple holding hands, he want to puke, is he condemning them as well with his action?
:hmm:...
This prove only one thing: he dun practice what he preach. He condemn pple while he accuse pple of condemning others. -
How can you know that the prostitutes will never be "used to be?" Are you God? That is the problem with humans, they think that they are God or equivalent to God. That is why they worship idols and condemn others.Originally posted by Icemoon:so which EH lady was a prostitute last time?
Your arguments are getting more and more off.
Since the "used to be" label does not apply to most of us, so we can condemn right? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:quote:Originally posted by casino_king:
and Jesus expects that she will never commit another sin again in her life? Or did Jesus not condemn her knowing full well that she will continue to sin?
why not you tell us the ans, with biblical support. and God gave you a brain for? -
and if she sinned again as we all know she will? Jesus will then condemn her?Originally posted by davidche:oh plz, when Jesus said go and sin no more its becos Jesus forgave her sins. nothing bout condemning ayone at all, so CK, plz don use that as ur example.
Also, Think bout when Elijah or Elisha advised the ppl to turn to God and saying that Bael is a fake god....
Beal is an idol... there is but one God. You have an idol in your head the minute you conceptualise God. -
then you ALREADY have an IDOL in YOUR HEAD as you have ALREADY CONCEPTUALISED who and what God is to you....Originally posted by casino_king:and if she sinned again as we all know she will? Jesus will then condemn her?
Beal is an idol... there is but one God. You have an idol in your head the minute you conceptualise God.