american bishop believes homosexuality is not a sin
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So by your definition, a Muslim who consumes pork cannot claim to profess Islam anymore?Originally posted by ObiterDicta:That's a specious argument.
One is given free will to choose to obey or not. The Church does not stop people from leaving it to embrace other beliefs (or none).
However, if one chooses not to obey, then it is a matter to acknowledging such and not claim to be 'Catholic', since the standard for being such one has been defined by the Church.
Mindlessly yours,
obiterdicta
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no, he will still be a muslim (just maybe a sinned one that need to 'pay back'?)Originally posted by iveco:So by your definition, a Muslim who consumes pork cannot claim to profess Islam anymore? -
r u a christian?Originally posted by casino_king:Do not condemn anybody. Let him who is without sin...
You have no idea what the condemnation in your hearts have done and are doing to you. -
he is a loony =)Originally posted by davidche:r u a christian? -
lol,
well if he is a christian, he should know that he chose christian becos christian is wad he thinks tat is rite and other religions in his mind r wrong so he condemned other beliefs without noticing it by thinking tat they r wrong. -
err..Originally posted by davidche:lol,
well if he is a christian, he should know that he chose christian becos christian is wad he thinks tat is rite and other religions in his mind r wrong so he condemned other beliefs without noticing it by thinking tat they r wrong.
say again? -
Originally posted by laurence82:err..
say again? 
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simi?Originally posted by M©+square: -
Simmi lor.Originally posted by laurence82:simi? -
I beseech the Lord Almighty Admin to ban MC
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i aso noh understandling davids post mah.Originally posted by laurence82:I beseech the Lord Almighty Admin to ban MC
Sankyu
So you post, i aso poss.
So i laffing lors. so funni nehs. -
Ck said that other religions r wrong rite? so he condemned other religions to be wrong!
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When did I say the other religions are wrong?Originally posted by davidche:Ck said that other religions r wrong rite? so he condemned other religions to be wrong! The people here are so mad as to call me looney because I refuse to condemn the other religions, so please get your facts right.
As for whether I am a Christian; if you consider someone who takes Jesus words to heart, then I am. If you consider Christian as someone who takes the kind of BS in EH then I guess I am not! -
Just to clarify, I engage the other religions seiously to understand what makes them tick and see if I can point out their errors to them based on their own scriptures. Just like what I am doing for delusional "christians" in EH.
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I also think that people like SIS is during God a great favour by pointing out the crap that so called christians in EH are holding on to.
Like here: A sermon to share: Sinners in the hands of an angry God [page: 1, 2, 3, 4] -
ya, u dunno whether u r a chritian becos u neglect the bible. The bible is the structure of Christianity. If you don have it, theres no root. its like Muslims without Koran....or issit islahms without koran??im not sure...Originally posted by casino_king:When did I say the other religions are wrong? The people here are so mad as to call me looney because I refuse to condemn the other religions, so please get your facts right.
As for whether I am a Christian; if you consider someone who takes Jesus words to heart, then I am. If you consider Christian as someone who takes the kind of BS in EH then I guess I am not! -
Who says I neglet the bible? How can I take Jesus' words seriously if I do not even know what Jesus said?Originally posted by davidche:ya, u dunno whether u r a chritian becos u neglect the bible. The bible is the structure of Christianity. If you don have it, theres no root. its like Muslims without Koran....or issit islahms without koran??im not sure...
Where I differ from the people in EH is in that I do not accept that the bible is a science text book and can speak authoritatively about science; that the bible is authoritative source for history; that the bible is an authoritative source for philosophy; that the bible is an authoritative source for business strategy... and so on.
The bible is a recording of people's encounters with God at certain places and time. Their experiences are relevant for their place and time. We need to encounter God right here right now and not simply believe in other people's encounters.
I do not wish to talk about Islam here.
As far as I am concern, the christian is someone God has transformed to become His child. It is not about following a belief system and practice. It is not about my God is better than your God.
There is but one God.
Unless people, whether they call themselves christians or otherwise, call out to GOD; find GOD; encounter GOD, they can call themselves anything they like and believe anything they like; it makes no difference. -
This is so not right and not sincere, instead of seeking to understand others, it seems like your interest is just to find the weakness of others.Originally posted by casino_king:Just to clarify, I engage the other religions seiously to understand what makes them tick and see if I can point out their errors to them based on their own scriptures. Just like what I am doing for delusional "christians" in EH. -
This is how we all learn isn't it? What is the point of telling each other how right we are? If you are a noob, surely you will not be debating in an open forum, will you?Originally posted by vince69:This is so not right and not sincere, instead of seeking to understand others, it seems like your interest is just to find the weakness of others.
If you make comments, one would assume that you know what you are talking about. Unless you are asking questions, seeking. Like in Aunt Agony.
If you want to only hear stuff that your church teaches or your pastor teach, then don't come here? Just stay in church and listen to your pastor. If you think that your church and pastor are infallible, well I am so sorry for you.
If you tell me something that I had not previously considered, I will certaintly give it some thoughts. But if you give me absurdities that you yourself had swallowed hook line and sinker; don't expect others to be as naive as you are. -
So why should we believe in ur experience?Originally posted by casino_king:The bible is a recording of people's encounters with God at certain places and time. Their experiences are relevant for their place and time. We need to encounter God right here right now and not simply believe in other people's encounters.
As far as I am concern, the christian is someone God has transformed to become His child. It is not about following a belief system and practice. It is not about my God is better than your God.
There is but one God.
Unless people, whether they call themselves christians or otherwise, call out to GOD; find GOD; encounter GOD, they can call themselves anything they like and believe anything they like; it makes no difference. -
And ur purpose is to satisfy ur ego?Originally posted by casino_king:Just to clarify, I engage the other religions seiously to understand what makes them tick and see if I can point out their errors to them based on their own scriptures. Just like what I am doing for delusional "christians" in EH. -
U got mah....u said all of us (Christians, Buddhists etc) have idols in our heads and are in the wrong religions, while your "born again" religion is the right one!Originally posted by casino_king:When did I say the other religions are wrong? The people here are so mad as to call me looney because I refuse to condemn the other religions, so please get your facts right.
As for whether I am a Christian; if you consider someone who takes Jesus words to heart, then I am. If you consider Christian as someone who takes the kind of BS in EH then I guess I am not! -
Is this what u learn from ur version of Jesus?Originally posted by casino_king:I also think that people like SIS is during God a great favour by pointing out the crap that so called christians in EH are holding on to.
Like here: A sermon to share: Sinners in the hands of an angry God [page: 1, 2, 3, 4] -
you don't get anything one do you? You do not believe anybody's experience, you believe your own... get your own experience.Originally posted by laoda99:So why should we believe in ur experience?
Read about all the wonderful experiences that people tell you and the wonderful experiences people had with God in the bible.
If you do not have them then continue to ask, seek and knock.
Don't compromise and live a half baked existence chasing after prosperity.
Start with no condemnation of anybody... only then will you understand that God does not condemn you. Only then can you come to God.
You have a long journey ahead of you... until you are able to look at the prostitutes walking along Geylang with no hint of condemnation in your heart... -
ok thanks for your advice.Originally posted by casino_king:you don't get anything one do you? You do not believe anybody's experience, you believe your own... get your own experience.
Read about all the wonderful experiences that people tell you and the wonderful experiences people had with God in the bible.
If you do not have them then continue to ask, seek and knock.
Don't compromise and live a half baked existence chasing after prosperity.
Start with no condemnation of anybody... only then will you understand that God does not condemn you. Only then can you come to God.
You have a long journey ahead of you... until you are able to look at the prostitutes walking along Geylang with no hint of condemnation in your heart...