american bishop believes homosexuality is not a sin
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what is anglican use?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Well, there's always the pastoral provision of the Anglican Use
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He proclaims that women should be priests, that we suppress the 'sacred feminine', that paganism is all right.Originally posted by laoda99:i tot iveco is catholic?
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Have you heard of Anglican 'priests' defecting to the Catholic Church?Originally posted by laoda99:what is anglican use?
In America, you have entire Episcopal (Anglican) parishes defecting!
As a form of pastoral care, the Vatican has allowed a temporary 'Anglican Use', which allows them to retain their Anglican tradition, Catholic-ised of course.
In addition, their married priests are allowed to keep their wives. They are re-ordained, however.
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=anglican+use&btnG=Google+Search&meta= -
Hmmm.........they really must like the catholic church alot....Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Have you heard of Anglican 'priests' defecting to the Catholic Church?
In America, you have entire Episcopal (Anglican) parishes defecting!
As a form of pastoral care, the Vatican has allowed a temporary 'Anglican Use', which allows them to retain their Anglican tradition, Catholic-ised of course.
In addition, their married priests are allowed to keep their wives. They are re-ordained, however.
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=anglican+use&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
why never form their own organisation?
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No...but I think I read somewhere that he is catholic but also wiccan at the same timeOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:He proclaims that women should be priests, that we suppress the 'sacred feminine', that paganism is all right.
Does that sound Catholic to you?
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somehow I am not suprise about this. I do suspect those that deflected are the more conservative ones who are not please with the direction the Episcopal church is going.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Have you heard of Anglican 'priests' defecting to the Catholic Church?
In America, you have entire Episcopal (Anglican) parishes defecting!
As a form of pastoral care, the Vatican has allowed a temporary 'Anglican Use', which allows them to retain their Anglican tradition, Catholic-ised of course.
In addition, their married priests are allowed to keep their wives. They are re-ordained, however.
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=anglican+use&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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or so he wants everyone to thinkOriginally posted by laoda99:No...but I think I read somewhere that he is catholic but also wiccan at the same time
imagine a 'staunch' christian who only know how one verse of the bible and nothing else
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It's like Jack Chick singing Schubert's Ave Maria.Originally posted by laoda99:No...but I think I read somewhere that he is catholic but also wiccan at the same time
Or a Protestant Jew.
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No need to rebaptise, I think.Originally posted by laoda99:Hmmm.........they really must like the catholic church alot....
why never form their own organisation?
All members need to rebaptised?
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I can call myself a Martian but would that make me one?Originally posted by laoda99:No...but I think I read somewhere that he is catholic but also wiccan at the same time 
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hmmm u really not a martian right?Originally posted by ObiterDicta:I can call myself a Martian but would that make me one?
ur nick is latin and not martian language right? -
a latin speaking martianOriginally posted by laoda99:hmmm u really not a martian right?
ur nick is latin and not martian language right? 
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a humanoid looking martian also canOriginally posted by vince69:a latin speaking martian -
yup. dun need. they just have to recite the creedOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:No need to rebaptise, I think.
Why form your own group when you can have Communion with a stronger entity who sympathises for you? -
Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:He proclaims that women should be priests, that we suppress the 'sacred feminine', that paganism is all right.
Does that sound Catholic to you?Originally posted by laoda99:No...but I think I read somewhere that he is catholic but also wiccan at the same time
Merry Meet To All,Originally posted by laurence82:or so he wants everyone to think
imagine a 'staunch' christian who only know how one verse of the bible and nothing else
Firstly "Priest" is the term use solely for "Male". Acknowledging ''Goddess", 'Sacred Feminism' worshipping are not only solely for Paganism, many religion & practices do acknowledge that too even in so called 'Orthodox Mainstream Religions'. Perhaps there is absolutely nothing at all, just a humourous RaRa show staged by some who desire some attentions. Yeah we are giving him attentions be it positive or adverse. More like crunchy celery appetizer salad that lack of flavourings... so bland... Take that rubbish away... Its tainted...
Blessed Be,
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apostles' creed?Originally posted by ben1xy:yup. dun need. they just have to recite the creed -
I don't like Dark Arts, unlike the mods @ the wizarding forum.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Hmm, coming from an apostate and pagan, I'm not surprised.
Men is not superior to Woman, Woman is not superior to Man.
There are almost no Slytherin tendencies in me. In fact, the Sorting Hat quiz classified me as Hufflepuff.
Women are capable of giving life, therefore should be revered more.
In fact, their Chief Wizard has spoken, and I am on his side for now.
Adding on, it is known that Christianity was not the original religion of Europe. Yet the papacy wants the continent to return to its "Christian roots". -
Being catholic doesn't mean agreeing mindlessly to all that comes from the Vatican.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:He proclaims that women should be priests, that we suppress the 'sacred feminine', that paganism is all right.
Does that sound Catholic to you?
In fact, it may do everyone a favour by giving up political power as people have their free will too.
Even the ancient Druids believed that nobody could interfere with another's free will. -
Upon deeper reflection, I realise that this statement is not quite accurate.Originally posted by laurence82:In OSD term, they are very bureaucratic and centralised. But obiterdicta described the lower part of the organisation as quite organic and given some form of autonomy.
If we take the Vatican as HQ, then one could easily work out that the number of HQ staff relative to the entire Church is actually quite small. The Vatican is fairly lean for a global organisation.
This works because a lot of decisions are made at the diocesan level by the bishops, thus removing the need for a large central bureaucracy to process information. Less information flow, less corporate overhead.
Based on this model, 'HQ' only 'manage by exception', intervening when there are problems and issues that are beyond the power/competence of the bishops to resolve.
The law of the Church is coded in the Codex Iuris Canonici (Code of Canon Law), and bishops govern their respective dioceses based on this set of laws. This legal system is closer to the civil law system we find in Europe, as compared to the common law system that we find in UK and here.
There are of course other rules and regulations from the Vatican, and bishops also sometimes promulgate their own.
Within the diocese itself, the priests in each individual parish also has a free hand in organising and the administration of his own parish. He is free to set up different 'ministries' to serve different functions in support of the community life of the parish. Some of the ministries are part of larger structures (e.g. St. Vincent de Paul), and these would have some kind of matrix reporting structure to their national/regional governing bodies.
Hope this makes the picture clearer.
regards,
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That's a specious argument.Originally posted by iveco:Being catholic doesn't mean agreeing mindlessly to all that comes from the Vatican.
In fact, it may do everyone a favour by giving up political power as people have their free will too.
Even the ancient Druids believed that nobody could interfere with another's free will.
One is given free will to choose to obey or not. The Church does not stop people from leaving it to embrace other beliefs (or none).
However, if one chooses not to obey, then it is a matter to acknowledging such and not claim to be 'Catholic', since the standard for being such one has been defined by the Church.
Mindlessly yours,
obiterdicta -
Urm, reading through your posts, I dont see any difference to what i have posted? A feature of a bureaucratic organisation is the existence of rules and regulations, and other explicit guiding principles, so I was not looking at just Code of Canon Laws, but others like Catholic doctrines, including Catechism of the Catholic Church. Another telling sign is the existence of various levels of hierarchial positions, as described hereOriginally posted by ObiterDicta:Upon deeper reflection, I realise that this statement is not quite accurate.
If we take the Vatican as HQ, then one could easily work out that the number of HQ staff relative to the entire Church is actually quite small. The Vatican is fairly lean for a global organisation.
This works because a lot of decisions are made at the diocesan level by the bishops, thus removing the need for a large central bureaucracy to process information. Less information flow, less corporate overhead.
Based on this model, 'HQ' only 'manage by exception', intervening when there are problems and issues that are beyond the power/competence of the bishops to resolve.
The law of the Church is coded in the Codex Iuris Canonici (Code of Canon Law), and bishops govern their respective dioceses based on this set of laws. This legal system is closer to the civil law system we find in Europe, as compared to the common law system that we find in UK and here.
There are of course other rules and regulations from the Vatican, and bishops also sometimes promulgate their own.
Within the diocese itself, the priests in each individual parish also has a free hand in organising and the administration of his own parish. He is free to set up different 'ministries' to serve different functions in support of the community life of the parish. Some of the ministries are part of larger structures (e.g. St. Vincent de Paul), and these would have some kind of matrix reporting structure to their national/regional governing bodies.
Hope this makes the picture clearer.
regards,
obiterdicta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_hierarchy
Furthermore, you had backed up the description of the lower levels of the Church hierarchy as organic, when you talked about priests in individual parish having the authority to organise his own parish, as well as the authority to set up different ministeries to suit the parish's needs or aims. Matrix structure is also a telling sign the lower part of the organisations is rather organic in nature.
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Are u a Harry Potter fan?Originally posted by iveco:I don't like Dark Arts, unlike the mods @ the wizarding forum.
There are almost no Slytherin tendencies in me. In fact, the Sorting Hat quiz classified me as Hufflepuff.
Women are capable of giving life, therefore should be revered more.
In fact, their Chief Wizard has spoken, and I am on his side for now.
Adding on, it is known that Christianity was not the original religion of Europe. Yet the papacy wants the continent to return to its "Christian roots".
how old r u?
U sound like Zou Huo Ru Mo liao........... -
Yeah, many 'Catholics' practise birth control, cohabitation, and they too call themselves Catholic. Simply put it, Cafeteria Catholicism, believe what you like and reject what you don't.Originally posted by iveco:Being catholic doesn't mean agreeing mindlessly to all that comes from the Vatican.
And you still have not answered my question from last time:
Do you recieve Communion at Mass? (If you still go.) -
This is inevitable... just as the whole world was waiting for Muslim clerics to denonuce terrorism in Allah's name; the whole world was waiting for the Christian clergy to denounce the condemnation of homosexuals.
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The main mod @ the wizard's forum reminds me of Snape. His loyalty to the Wiccan Rede is as suspect as the Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore.Originally posted by laoda99:Are u a Harry Potter fan?
how old r u?
U sound like Zou Huo Ru Mo liao...........
What kind of mod will call down curses on those who disagree with him?