Need some clarifications / advice from Christians
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Man puts his Faith in God. God ask man to write the Bible. Man following the will of God in his life, writes the Bible. In accord with the free will principle, God let's man write the Bible according to man's experience with God.Originally posted by davidche:How do u know God wants us to experince him directly. If thats so, y is there a bible? The bible is Gods word and plz don twist the truth. The truth is--God , thru Men wrote the bible. Men did not write it based on HIS own understanding as uve stated.
If God wanted to write the Bible directly, then God certaintly could; but that would be against the free will principle. If God wanted to write the Bible directly, then we will have simultanous translations on earth. Why stop at writing the Bible directly? Why not make a video tape? Why no go on TV? A God channel? Everytime man doubts, he tunes in to the God channel.
There is no such thing as putting one's faith in the bible. Faith is in God, in order to be Born of the Spirit. -
God gave you brains and intelligence. But you do not think that with your intelligence and brains, you become GodOriginally posted by laoda99:No wonder there are so many prophets and new religions popping out these days.....
Mebbe SIS is right....I can form my own religion.....
If you prefer to be stupid, don't blame God.
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U ask me to write my own bible mahOriginally posted by casino_king:God gave you brains and intelligence. But you do not think that with your intelligence and brains, you become God
If you prefer to be stupid, don't blame God. Be a human, don't be a monkey.
monkeys can't write bibles.... -
Suffering is essential and we must not escape from it. The victory of the cross allows us to gain eternal life, but God has chosen to let us suffer in our earthly bodies that we may have faith and grow in Him. We do this by uniting our sufferings together with Jesus and imitating Him. We can never repay Him, but we must carry our crosses patiently if we are to have life with Him.Originally posted by laoda99:wat's the catholic stance on this?
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Thanks...this is good answer to atheists and buddhists who question why there are suffering in the world...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Suffering is essential and we must not escape from it. The victory of the cross allows us to gain eternal life, but God has chosen to let us suffer in our earthly bodies that we may have faith and grow in Him. We do this by uniting our sufferings together with Jesus and imitating Him. We can never repay Him, but we must carry our crosses patiently if we are to have life with Him.
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You really don't understand what is the Bible about, do you? having free will does not means man can anyhow put words into God's mouth. God's words are eternal and universal, your experience however is not.Originally posted by casino_king:Man puts his Faith in God. God ask man to write the Bible. Man following the will of God in his life, writes the Bible. In accord with the free will principle, God let's man write the Bible according to man's experience with God.
If God wanted to write the Bible directly, then God certaintly could; but that would be against the free will principle. If God wanted to write the Bible directly, then we will have simultanous translations on earth. Why stop at writing the Bible directly? Why not make a video tape? Why no go on TV? A God channel? Everytime man doubts, he tunes in to the God channel.
There is no such thing as putting one's faith in the bible. Faith is in God, in order to be Born of the Spirit. -
Fully agree!! thats wad i wanted to say. Casio King is an extremist that throws away The bible and is solely based on the Holy spirit and personal relationships with God. This kind of religion attracts many ppl cos that emhasize on the FEELINGS, they sing songs like mad and well to some extent is like the thousands of prophets of Bael(is this spelled correctly?) jabbing themselves with swords and dancing around. For wad reason?? cos they want that Feeling!!!
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hmm.....davidche....are u from a traditional church like me? Which denomination and which church?Originally posted by davidche:Fully agree!! thats wad i wanted to say. Casio King is an extremist that throws away The bible and is solely based on the Holy spirit and personal relationships with God. This kind of religion attracts many ppl cos that emhasize on the FEELINGS, they sing songs like mad and well to some extent is like the thousands of prophets of Bael(is this spelled correctly?) jabbing themselves with swords and dancing around. For wad reason?? cos they want that Feeling!!!
Spelling should be "Baal" I think......
Actually till now I still dunno what is CK's definition of born again......he always use that but never say how...... -
Originally posted by davidche:
err... you may want to rethink/rephrase the part in bold, cause the Holy Spirit always points back to the word of God which is the Bible.
Fully agree!! thats wad i wanted to say. Casio King is an extremist that throws away The bible and [b]is solely based on the Holy spirit and personal relationships with God. This kind of religion attracts many ppl cos that emhasize on the FEELINGS, they sing songs like mad and well to some extent is like the thousands of prophets of Bael(is this spelled correctly?) jabbing themselves with swords and dancing around. For wad reason?? cos they want that Feeling!!![/b]
personal experience/feeling not equal to Holy Spirit manifestations.
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Basicall, spirit manefastations leads to feelings that were invented by them. Like falling down on the floor. The bible did not say aything about falling when holy spirit comes.
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that's why I say, personal experience/feeling not equal to Holy Spirit manifestation, some may just be "self induced".Originally posted by davidche:Basicall, spirit manefastations leads to feelings that were invented by them. Like falling down on the floor. The bible did not say aything about falling when holy spirit comes. -
Basicall, spirit manefastations leads to feelings that were invented by them. Like falling down on the floor. The bible did not say aything about falling when holy spirit comes.
Another thing is that, those damn extreme ones,(like CK) they believe that only ppl hu can speak tongues r true christians, But actually in fact speaking tongues is a gift.
Remember, --1.only true christians can speak tongues and--- 2.Only ppl hu can speak tongues r true christians, this 2 r diff things. -
yes of course.Originally posted by vince69:that's why I say, personal experience/feeling not equal to Holy Spirit manifestation, some may just be "self induced". -
Not sure which denomination, as long as it focuses on the rite track. Respects the bible, not too much of speaking in tongues and falling on the floor.... Im in Newton Life ChurchOriginally posted by laoda99:hmm.....davidche....are u from a traditional church like me? Which denomination and which church?
Spelling should be "Baal" I think......
Actually till now I still dunno what is CK's definition of born again......he always use that but never say how......
Do note that iom not saying speaking in tongues is bad, but when theres too much of it, it maybe a pagan(strong word) belief. -
Originally posted by davidche:Not sure which denomination, as long as it focuses on the rite track. Respects the bible, not too much of speaking in tongues and falling on the floor.... Im in Newton Life Church
Do note that iom not saying speaking in tongues is bad, but when theres too much of it, it maybe a pagan(strong word) belief.
Dunno leh .. I thought I saw the Purpose Driven Life banner above the podium and I sian 1/2 liao. -
Free will is doing and saying what you like; but please remeber that there are consequences. So for you to put words in my mouth have consequences as well. A gentle reminder.
People who put their faith in the bible are no less idolators then people who put their faith in a statue.
Man has this overwhelming need for idols. When the bible witness to people, telling them not to put their faith in idols, they straightaway create a new idol called the Bible.
The Bible has its place. The Bible is a witness like people are witnesses.
Sure, there are false witnesses and there are real witnesses. Just because the witnesses put their experiences down in writing does not make the witnesses infallable. If the bible is not a "black and white" "witness" of people's experience with God; then it would be God giving man evidence. God give you evidence?
Please don't think so highly of yourself, to put it mildly, do you think that you are equal to God so that you can demand evidence of God from God?. The original sin was man attempting to be God. "Eat and you shall be like God."
You need to place your Faith in God. Faith in God are not feelings. You say that because you have never been born again and you have no idea what Faith in God is. Faith in God leads to being Born of the Spirit. People Born of the Spirit have a relationship with God.
The progenitor of this relationship is Faith in God (Faith in idols will not do.) Once you are born of the spirit as a result of this Faith, the relationship does is not dependent on Faith anymore. You enter into the Kingdom of God.
Because spirit is eternal, you then continue to have this relationship with God for eternity. Friend, I have been where you are right now. Strip yourself of all idols and put your Faith in God only and ask God to give you Birth of the Spirit. Only God can do that, nothing you can ever do or imagine can do that.
Remember, idols will not do. Whether the idol is a book or a statue or a concept of God in your head. -
So u dun speak in tongues?Originally posted by davidche:Not sure which denomination, as long as it focuses on the rite track. Respects the bible, not too much of speaking in tongues and falling on the floor.... Im in Newton Life Church
Do note that iom not saying speaking in tongues is bad, but when theres too much of it, it maybe a pagan(strong word) belief.
Dun think Newton Life Church is a charismatic church, if not reformed evangelicals wouldn't rent its church premises for talks....
Me and icemoon go Newton Life Church for bible expository by Rev Doc Stephen Tong... -
so Ck can be self-induced to think he is "born again" and in actual fact he is not?Originally posted by vince69:that's why I say, personal experience/feeling not equal to Holy Spirit manifestation, some may just be "self induced". -
I am just specking in general terms, actually, I am not sure about CK.Originally posted by laoda99:so Ck can be self-induced to think he is "born again" and in actual fact he is not? -
Actually i don always go for Rev Tong's sermens, i but CDs to listen.Originally posted by laoda99:So u dun speak in tongues?
Dun think Newton Life Church is a charismatic church, if not reformed evangelicals wouldn't rent its church premises for talks....
Me and icemoon go Newton Life Church for bible expository by Rev Doc Stephen Tong...
Oh and you surely know his stand rite?? -
Originally posted by davidche:Actually i don always go for Rev Tong's sermens, i buy CDs to listen.
Oh and you surely know his stand rite?? -
Can i know where is the Original Thread starter? he shouldnt just abandon the thread like this, irresponsible!
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Oh...another Rev Tong's fanOriginally posted by davidche:Actually i don always go for Rev Tong's sermens, i but CDs to listen.
Oh and you surely know his stand rite??
Hmmm....wat's his stand? -
/me take out notes.
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His stand is the Reformed stand lor .. no?Originally posted by laoda99:Oh...another Rev Tong's fan
Hmmm....wat's his stand?