The Present-DayOfficial Teachings Of The Roman Catholic Chur
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*Off topicOriginally posted by Honeybunz:Talking about indulgences....
That time so funny. (sidetrack a bit)
My non Catholic friend who tried to stop me from being a Catholic told me that the Priests will ask for money to "absolve me from my sins".
I : "Nope. So far I didn't see leh. Nobody asks me for money. If they do that, I will know one."
My friend : "Got! Some of the Catholic churches still do that. "
I : "Which one?"
My friend : "The one at Novena."
I : "I am attending that one! "
My friend : "(dot dot dot)"
you attending Novena Church? my sister used to joke she attend this church from the comfort of her balcony (anyway, she had moved to another flat liao)
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last time, when I considering joining the Catholic. Cuz the Priests there gave very good sermons.Originally posted by vince69:*Off topic
you attending Novena Church? my sister used to joke she attend this church from the comfort of her balcony (anyway, she had moved to another flat liao) -
where is laoda?Originally posted by Honeybunz:last time, when I considering joining the Catholic. Cuz the Priests there gave very good sermons.
this can be another one of our church outing.
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.... gut feeling???? weird.Originally posted by babyys:Hey guys,
Can someone please clarify point 4 & 5 for me? Its quite disturbing....
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/official.htm
*please note that i am not out for a flame war, lets have some constructive answers*
The site is managed by ONE individual who has very bizarre views on almost everything. Beyond just comments on Catholics, he also have issues with Messianic Jews and the once-save-always-save belief.
Any website that is not managed by an organisation, hence lacking in the checks and measures, is not worth its salt.
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ok...Originally posted by Chin Eng:.... gut feeling???? weird.
The site is managed by ONE individual who has very bizarre views on almost everything. Beyond just comments on Catholics, he also have issues with Messianic Jews and the once-save-always-save belief.
Any website that is not managed by an organisation, hence lacking in the checks and measures, is not worth its salt.
I'd say leave it alone. -
Meditate on those parts in red. You have no idea how arrogant you are.Originally posted by vince69:What you say is true, do not put your faith in the books in the Bible, put your faith in the God who authored the books in the Bible. Neither should anyone put their faith on their pastor, but rather they should put their faith in the God that enabled the pastor.
given these, why do we still study/read the Bible?
1) we want to find God for us to put our faith in God (look at the finger pointing to the moon and follow its direction to see the moon)
2) we want to know how God wanted us to approach Him and relate to Him (His way, not our way)
3) We want to know the character of God, what He is like
(like when looking at the moon, how we know if we are looking at the moon or just its reflection?)
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its ok, you are entitled not to agree with me.Originally posted by casino_king:Meditate on those parts in red. You have no idea how arrogant you are. -
no problem on my side... just pity you.Originally posted by vince69:its ok, you are entitled not to agree with me. -
thank you.Originally posted by casino_king:no problem on my side... just pity you. -
I have checked the meaning of born again......and I think so-and-so here is completely mistaken abt it......Originally posted by vince69:thank you.
abused it totally.... -
if you are to see this from the die hard charismatics' point of view, actually he is quite mild already.Originally posted by laoda99:I have checked the meaning of born again......and I think so-and-so here is completely mistaken abt it......
abused it totally.... -
dependsOriginally posted by vince69:if you are to see this from the die hard charismatics' point of view, actually he is quite mild already.
this is sgforums
some make posts to di siao people -
My gf was from NCC. She speak in tongues too and she is great fan of PS Prince.Originally posted by vince69:if you are to see this from the die hard charismatics' point of view, actually he is quite mild already.
I have a talk with her yesterday night and her version of born again is definitely not extreme.
She defines born again as simply when we receive the holy spirit (become christian).
I believe so too. Every christian is a new creation. We are born again liao. -
NCC is not the extreme yet, actually very far from it (btw, Ps Prince don't really like the ultra charismatics)Originally posted by laoda99:My gf was from NCC. She speak in tongues too and she is great fan of PS Prince.
I have a talk with her yesterday night and her version of born again is definitely not extreme.
She defines born again as simply when we receive the holy spirit (become christian).
I believe so too. Every christian is a new creation. We are born again liao.
*hint: one of their version of being born again: must have accepted Christ, must be water baptised by full immersion, must be have baptised by the Holy Spirit meaning pastor pray for you, you speak in tongues.
(noticed a lot of must? actually there are more.)
*hint: ultra charismatic don't really read/study anything, they rather depend of freah revelations to fall from the sky kinda thing. so you can see alot of them at those prophetic crusades, especially when so-and-so "prophets" is in town to give a talk or something. -
yah lor .. he often makes fun of charismatics.Originally posted by vince69:NCC is not the extreme yet, actually very far from it (btw, Ps Prince don't really like the ultra charismatics)
Prince: "now the charismatics will say blah blah, but I tell you .. " -
Ps Prince actually was also from a charismatic background before.Originally posted by Icemoon:yah lor .. he often makes fun of charismatics.
Prince: "now the charismatics will say blah blah, but I tell you .. " -
so, what do we describe NCC as if its not charismatic?Originally posted by vince69:Ps Prince actually was also from a charismatic background before. -
NCC is charismatics, just not the ultra/extreme kind of charismaticsOriginally posted by laurence82:so, what do we describe NCC as if its not charismatic? -
It is very simple actually. People who need to check what being born again is. People who are arrogant and can only accept God on their own terms. People who need to be assured that they are born again. People who need to understand what being born of the spirit is. People who believe that being born again is a ritual or the result of a ritual; whether by laying of hands or baptism. People who believe that there must be external signs like speaking in tongues. People who condemn others... are not born again.
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that's why there are some posts that can be ignored.Originally posted by laurence82:depends
this is sgforums
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Their tongues very stylo leh .. all the while I thought they were speaking Hebrew.Originally posted by vince69:NCC is charismatics, just not the ultra/extreme kind of charismatics
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yeah...their tongues dun sound as siong as CHC.....Originally posted by Icemoon:Their tongues very stylo leh .. all the while I thought they were speaking Hebrew. -
Check this out.Originally posted by Honeybunz:never seen this link before leh.
SgMacro bro, is Evangelical Outreach a group endorsed by the Catholic Church or not?
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/motherteresa.htm
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Has anyone read the book by Mother Teresa (Life In The Spirit: Reflections, Meditations, and Prayers)?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:
Is this what she says in page 81/82 as metioned in the webby, I think there is more to this,
"We never try to convert those who receive (aid) to Christianity but in our work we bear witness to the love of God's presence and if Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, or agnostics become for this better men—simply better—we will be satisfied. It matters to the individual what church he belongs to. If that individual thinks and believes that this is the only way to God for her or him, this is the way God comes into their life—his life. If he does not know any other way and if he has no doubt so that he does not need to search then this is his way to salvation."
If there is one thing I do know about mission/charity work (especially if the aim is charity), is that we do not try to convert those that comes for the aid, doing so is not ethical as its only preying on people in their weakness, with the only exception is that when they comes to us volunteeringly to ask about our beliefs or asked to be prayed for, even so, have to be careful and sensitive about it. -
I and Icemoon learned something from a blogger call Beowulf.
We dun convert. We preach.
We believe in the sovereignty of God and the holy spirit's conversion for the unsaved.Originally posted by vince69:Has anyone read the book by Mother Teresa (Life In The Spirit: Reflections, Meditations, and Prayers)?
Is this what she says in page 81/82 as metioned in the webby, I think there is more to this,
"We never try to convert those who receive (aid) to Christianity but in our work we bear witness to the love of God's presence and if Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, or agnostics become for this better men—simply better—we will be satisfied. It matters to the individual what church he belongs to. If that individual thinks and believes that this is the only way to God for her or him, this is the way God comes into their life—his life. If he does not know any other way and if he has no doubt so that he does not need to search then this is his way to salvation."
If there is one thing I do know about mission/charity work (especially if the aim is charity), is that we do not try to convert those that comes for the aid, doing so is not ethical as its only preying on people in their weakness, with the only exception is that when they comes to us volunteeringly to ask about our beliefs or asked to be prayed for, even so, have to be careful and sensitive about it.