Some questions from Roman Catholics...
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I have a friend who switched from evangelicals to Roman Catholic, was quite surprised when she say there is rarely mention of the virgin mary in her church (church of nativity), unlike the catholic sch montford sch where she teaches. And she says that when the priest in the church says "ur sins are forgiven" it is not the priest who forgives ur sins but Christ. She says priests do not have power to forgive sins, only god.
But I thought I read somewhere in EH sgmacross says priest are empowered to forgive sins on earth.
Very different wat I heard from my friend. -
How come you dont post in the RC forum?
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icemoon probably paid him to post it here to increase ratings...Originally posted by laurence82:How come you dont post in the RC forum?
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actually Icemoon promoted Laoda to be his deputy CRO.Originally posted by breytonhartge:icemoon probably paid him to post it here to increase ratings...
ok, jokes aside;
I suspect its either a wording issue, I maybe wrong, in Roman Catholic, Forgiveness of sins is through the work of Christ, the Priest however is merely representing Christ in prononcing this forgiveness to the people.
ok, now wait for corrections.
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Like that lor.Originally posted by vince69:actually Icemoon promoted Laoda to be his deputy CRO.
ok, jokes aside;
I suspect its either a wording issue, I maybe wrong, in Roman Catholic, Forgiveness of sins is through the work of Christ, the Priest however is merely representing Christ in prononcing this forgiveness to the people.
ok, now wait for corrections. -
As a result of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, Priests have the authority to forgive sins in His name. The Priest is the authorised representative of Christ and the Mother Church.
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who says that the priests are the authorised reps of Christ and the Mother Church? The RC church is a fallacy... teaching lies and altering the truth of the word and Yeshua's teachings... what gives the pope the right to say that he is the right to give away titles such as the king of Jerusalem to the germans and etc... and what rights do priests have that make them more special than us????Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:As a result of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, Priests have the authority to forgive sins in His name. The Priest is the authorised representative of Christ and the Mother Church.
and what are the Christians???? We as believers are all commissioned to be Yahweh's reps on earth. -
Brey,Originally posted by breytonhartge:who says that the priests are the authorised reps of Christ and the Mother Church? The RC church is a fallacy... teaching lies and altering the truth of the word and Yeshua's teachings... what gives the pope the right to say that he is the right to give away titles such as the king of Jerusalem to the germans and etc... and what rights do priests have that make them more special than us????
and what are the Christians???? We as believers are all commissioned to be Yahweh's reps on earth.
give you this one, 1 Peter 2:9-10, who is the priest, according to Peter, the people who was called out of darkness and into His wonderful light, belong to God, and had received mercy. this, my friend is refering to the Christians, for indeed, we had receieved mercy, the gift of salvation by grace through Christ.
another quote
1Peter 2:9-10
9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.Rev 1:4-6
God bless.
4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. -
huh??Originally posted by vince69:God bless. 
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blur? don't blur leh, just want to point to you that,Originally posted by breytonhartge:huh??
christians are scantified/set apart to be what, a royal priesthood to serve before God. so Christians = Priests. -
oh... thought you were trying to say something else... pai se...Originally posted by vince69:blur? don't blur leh, just want to point to you that,
christians are scantified/set apart to be what, a royal priesthood to serve before God. so Christians = Priests. 
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Yeah .. so Protestants are actually ignorant of the real Catholic teachings.Originally posted by laoda99:I have a friend who switched from evangelicals to Roman Catholic, was quite surprised when she say there is rarely mention of the virgin mary in her church (church of nativity), unlike the catholic sch montford sch where she teaches. And she says that when the priest in the church says "ur sins are forgiven" it is not the priest who forgives ur sins but Christ. She says priests do not have power to forgive sins, only god.
But I thought I read somewhere in EH sgmacross says priest are empowered to forgive sins on earth.
Very different wat I heard from my friend. -
In most part, there are actually a lot of similarity between the two, the main different is the oral/traditions teachings of the Roman Catholics church which is also the part most young Protestants (myself included are not award/understand of)Originally posted by Icemoon:Yeah .. so Protestants are actually ignorant of the real Catholic teachings. -
I think there is a need for more friendly exchange of ideas.Originally posted by vince69:In most part, there are actually a lot of similarity between the two, the main different is the oral/traditions teachings of the Roman Catholics church which is also the part most young Protestants (myself included are not award/understand of)
Beats listening to sermon which could be one-sided. Besides, I think many protestant pastors are themselves ignorant of the real RC teachings. -
I will have to agree with you on this, but then not all RC teaching will be found acceptable to the protestants also, and vice versa. so sometimes have to agree to disagree.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think there is a need for more friendly exchange of ideas.
Beats listening to sermon which could be one-sided. Besides, I think many protestant pastors are themselves ignorant of the real RC teachings. -
accusing another Church of teaching lies.... wow... Yeshua gave you the right to say that?Originally posted by breytonhartge:who says that the priests are the authorised reps of Christ and the Mother Church? The RC church is a fallacy... teaching lies and altering the truth of the word and Yeshua's teachings... what gives the pope the right to say that he is the right to give away titles such as the king of Jerusalem to the germans and etc... and what rights do priests have that make them more special than us????
and what are the Christians???? We as believers are all commissioned to be Yahweh's reps on earth.
He must be very proud of you now. -
Just ignore the toads in well.Originally posted by Honeybunz:accusing another Church of teaching lies.... wow... Yeshua gave you the right to say that?
He must be very proud of you now. -
Not surprised that Mother Mary is hardly mentioned. After all, the focus is still on God just as in the Apostles Creed (or Nicene Creed) professed by Catholics in all weekend Masses.Originally posted by laoda99:I have a friend who switched from evangelicals to Roman Catholic, was quite surprised when she say there is rarely mention of the virgin mary in her church (church of nativity), unlike the catholic sch montford sch where she teaches. And she says that when the priest in the church says "ur sins are forgiven" it is not the priest who forgives ur sins but Christ. She says priests do not have power to forgive sins, only god.
But I thought I read somewhere in EH sgmacross says priest are empowered to forgive sins on earth.
Very different wat I heard from my friend.
When priests forgive sins, they do it in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. -
yes.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think there is a need for more friendly exchange of ideas.
Beats listening to sermon which could be one-sided. Besides, I think many protestant pastors are themselves ignorant of the real RC teachings.
I would love to learn from the Protestant Brothers and Sisters too. -
Humble boss.Originally posted by Honeybunz:yes.
I would love to learn from the Protestant Brothers and Sisters too.
even though you were once a Protestant yourself.
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Yah lor.Originally posted by Honeybunz:When priests forgive sins, they do it in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
When Silas murders, he does in the name of the Holy Trinity too. He touches his forehead and shoulders too right? -
i am not saying anything new.Originally posted by Honeybunz:accusing another Church of teaching lies.... wow... Yeshua gave you the right to say that?
He must be very proud of you now. -
so do u agree with Sgmacross priests have power to forgive sins on earth?Originally posted by Honeybunz:Not surprised that Mother Mary is hardly mentioned. After all, the focus is still on God just as in the Apostles Creed (or Nicene Creed) professed by Catholics in all weekend Masses.
When priests forgive sins, they do it in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. -
This is a trap question.Originally posted by laoda99:so do u agree with Sgmacross priests have power to forgive sins on earth?
But I think their explanation is clear - the priests are the authorized representatives of God. So the power still comes from God. -
Forgiveness is by grace through faith IN CHRIST. It can be had anytime the repentant sinner trust in Christ alone for salvation.
The channel is faith. The source is God by His grace. Preachers are to proclaim the message of forgiveness of sins. they do not have inherent power in themselves to forgive. it's through the message that they bear that brings forgivenss when appropriated by faith.
Israel had their priests [in fact a whole tribe] but when David sinned he confessed his sin to God and found forgiveness:
I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD," And You forgave the iniquity of my sin.
Yes, they go to their priests for sin offering and other offerings but the priests was never given power to forgive. it was through faith in the coming Savior pre-figured by their sacrifices that Old Testament saints found forgiveness.