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u mean urself?Originally posted by Ito_^:what about the people who believe and/or accept the teaching of other religions?
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i have heard pastors who said Christ proclaimed his victory to those pple b4 him in hell during the three days he was crucified.....Originally posted by plo30360:So does that mean they can be saved? -
Read through the points you made in the other topic and will keep them in mind. I also saw a familar friend's postingOriginally posted by laurence82:ho ho ho
this topic always reminds me of my romance with honeybunzie
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=91468
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Before the resurrection of Christ, even virtuous people were sent to hell. however, they were not condemned. only the unrepentant sinners were condemned.Originally posted by laoda99:i have heard pastors who said Christ proclaimed his victory to those pple b4 him in hell during the three days he was crucified.....
Do not forget that in the apostles' creed it is stated, "He descended to the dead, on the third day he rose again." The 'dead' refers to hell. Christ went down to hell to claim the virtuous. -
psst... dun let other ppl we are having affair lehOriginally posted by laurence82:ho ho ho
this topic always reminds me of my romance with honeybunzie
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=91468
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can summarize into one sentence?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:If there was an ultimate truth then one might have to accept there was a way of dealing with it. It seems to me that all religions are the result of this fact, even Christianity. It also seems to me from first principles that not all religions are equal in appealing to this ultimate truth. In short, one may say that all roads may lead to Rome, but not all actually reach there. This is the problem with absolutes but we can't abandon them without abandoning much rational thought... in which case there would be no need to ask any question at all for all questions and answers are equally worthless.
Of course the claim from it's proponents is that Christianity is the best and only method of appealing to this ultimate truth. This may seem arrogrant but it only takes a moment's thought to see the rationale behind this. This is but another absolute truth claim, and the real issue is to see this absolute truth claim is true, and if it is, why so.
It also begs the question that if this is true, then it would not be arrogrant at all to say that it is the only way as to hold back and not do so for the sake of P.C.-ness would be a very great evil. You are in your own beliefs, knowingly tossing many people to their doom for the sake of not offending them or appearing arrogrant.
I will grant that the danger of believing that you are the only way is that some might become arrogrant, but that is the very nature of the knowledge of the truth (unlawfully used it tends to puff the ego), and I believe is utterly against the very spirit of Christianity itself.
But if I was drowining I might want to find something that works, not everything that might not find me rescue for the sake of not being arrogrant or to be fair to the rest. High stakes there are here, and who is to blame for pushing the issue so starkly? It would be an evil not to do so. If there was a bomb to explode I might think less of startling and distrupting people's lives in the area and more of getting them out.
The argument on the arrogrance of Christianity cannot be valid unless it's very creeds state that it should not be the only way... but it says the very exact opposite thing. So we are quite helpless. -
hell no.Originally posted by laoda99:u mean urself?
hey.....btw....u were christian right?
and yes.
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We return 2 mother nature
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why u not christian now?Originally posted by Ito_^:hell no.
and yes.
must be from CHC..... -
got bored and busy.Originally posted by laoda99:why u not christian now?
must be from CHC..... as for being a christian personally; never was.
and yes.
all the way to expo some more. i go, i chop. -
chop? tat bad?Originally posted by Ito_^:got bored and busy. as for being a christian personally; never was.
and yes.
all the way to expo some more. i go, i chop. -
just kidding.Originally posted by laoda99:chop? tat bad? -
u go to see gals only?Originally posted by Ito_^:just kidding. -
Oh yes, the principle sticks.Originally posted by plo30360:Thank you for your answer, I'm glad that it sounds more sensible than certain fundementalists who would claim that its too bad for these people they were born at that period into the wrong religion.
How about people who are not Christians and follow other religions or beliefs today?
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the answer is still the same.Originally posted by Ito_^:what about the people who believe and/or accept the teaching of other religions? -
"What if no one's watching?
What if when we're dead, we are just dead?
What if it's just us down here?
What if God is just an idea someone put in your head?"
-Ani DiFranco -
looking around me and myself it is just impossible tht there is no God -
Originally posted by Ito_^:can summarize into one sentence?
I apologize for my verboseness, but I wanted to give my detalied thoughts on the thing. I can't get it into one line, but here's my best:
Simply put:
1)There is an ultimate truth, it means that all men are bound to it no matter what they may believe
2)It means that no matter their intentions or personal reasonings, this truth will have something to say about it all the things thought, felt or done in whole of nature
3)The Christian idea of this ultimate truth is something rather exclusive, that it can only be appeased in a certain way.
4)If the Christians are right, then it is not unreasonable for them to act in an exclusive way of thought at all. In fact it would be an evil if you knew what was the truest thing to do and acted in the other way for the sake of not offending others.
5)The question is then, is not if Christians are unreasonable or bigoted, but if the Christian notion of truth is correct and ultimate. If it is, they are not being unreasonable and bigoted, and in fact doing the thing that is supposed to be done.
It seems to me the real question is if Christianity is correct in what it says, not if the truth it holds appears to be narrow and exclusive. If you are drowining you might only want to hold onto the objects that float, not any object without regarding the bouyancy of the thing for the sake of democracy. -
Then really, would anything really matter at all?Originally posted by udontknowme:"What if no one's watching?
What if when we're dead, we are just dead?
What if it's just us down here?
What if God is just an idea someone put in your head?"
-Ani DiFranco