When we die.....
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when we die our body is dead ez pz lemon squeezy tat is stupid qquestion
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This judgment takes place at the close of the Mellinial reign of Christ.Originally posted by Ironside:1) Re 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
2) An unbeliever is someone who does not trust in Christ alone for salvation.
You could 'pray' to Him, read about Him, go to one of the Christian churches every sunday, you could pray a thousand sinner's prayer but as long as you have not trusted in Christ alone for salvation you are an unbeliever.
the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25 does not refer here. There the judgment in Matthew 25 takes place after the Tribulation period. It is a judgment of the living.
Here the judgment is the judgment of those who have died unsaved. a 1000 year period is in between the Matthew 25 and Rev. 20
2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
He will judge the Living Gentiles at His appearing [refering to the Second Coming. Matthew 25] He will judge the dead at the close of His 1000 year Kingdom.
The word "at" their literally means 'according to'. So we can translate it as:
who will judge the living and the dead according to His appearing and His kingdom.
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What happens to non-Christians then? e.g a Hindu or a Buddhist who lived 2000-3000 years before Christ?
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we go to the netherworld where its ruled by hades, if we're good we enjoy there where everyone dress in white, if we're bad, we kana tortured by hades' minions.
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They will be judged according to what they know. Not according to what they don't know.Originally posted by plo30360:What happens to non-Christians then? e.g a Hindu or a Buddhist who lived 2000-3000 years before Christ? -
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So does that mean they can be saved?
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God has revealed Himself to all peoples in all of time through His creation. He also has given men and women the law of conscience.Originally posted by Ironside:They will be judged according to what they know. Not according to what they don't know.
According to what they know about Him, God will judge.
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Acording to you what should they have done in order to be saved? In the first place are they even eligible for salvation?
Question is: What did they do about this knowledge [little as they are] given them? -
The answer is in my mind my friend but somehow because of my difficulty in putting it into english I just made the answer little.Originally posted by plo30360:So does that mean they can be saved?
have they been faithful to the little that they know of God?
If yes, then this shows an attitude of truly wanting to know God. God will respond by revealing more of Himself. He will reveal to them the knowledge of the coming Savior: Christ. -
god makes the judgement
u can ask ironside, chin eng or whoever, but in the end, none of their words count -
Originally posted by Ironside:The answer is in my mind my friend but somehow because of my difficulty in putting it into english I just made the answer little.
have they been faithful to the little that they know of God?
If yes, then this shows an attitude of truly wanting to know God. God will respond by revealing more of Himself. He will reveal to them the knowledge of the coming Savior: Christ.
actually this happened to a man name Cornelius my friend. He was a Gentile. Did not belong to the chosen nation of God.
But he knew that this God whom the Jews worshipped was the One true and ever living God. And so to the little that he knew of Him he sincerely and truthfully worshipped Him. God responded to him by sending him a man named Peter. Showed Christ to him and he got saved. -
wad if a baby died when he was 2 years old without knowing the bible, much less ur deep deeep deeeeeep deeeeeeeeeeeep christian dogmas and philosophy.
and definitely no good works to talk about. other den pissing his diapers and endless crying..
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he will go heaven...Originally posted by Ito_^:wad if a baby died when he was 2 years old without knowing the bible, much less ur deep deeep deeeeeep deeeeeeeeeeeep christian dogmas and philosophy.
and definitely no good works to talk about. other den pissing his diapers and endless crying..
off to hell he goes?
why? becoz Christ says so.... -
though Cornelius case happened after Christ. it is also the same of those belonging to the time before Christ, say 200 or 300 or etc. before Christ. -
Hmm, where? or when?Originally posted by laoda99:he will go heaven...
why? becoz Christ says so.... -
in heaven and at the time of death.Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, where? or when? -
No noOriginally posted by Ironside:in heaven and at the time of death.
I mean, where in the scriptures Christ said what laoda said.
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http://www.bible-history.com/jesus/jesusMat_191315_Mk_101316_Lk_181517.htmOriginally posted by laurence82:Hmm, where? or when? -
Thank you for your answer, I'm glad that it sounds more sensible than certain fundementalists who would claim that its too bad for these people they were born at that period into the wrong religion.
The answer is in my mind my friend but somehow because of my difficulty in putting it into english I just made the answer little.
have they been faithful to the little that they know of God?
If yes, then this shows an attitude of truly wanting to know God. God will respond by revealing more of Himself. He will reveal to them the knowledge of the coming Savior: Christ.
How about people who are not Christians and follow other religions or beliefs today?
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what about the people who believe and/or accept the teaching of other religions?
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ho ho ho
this topic always reminds me of my romance with honeybunzie
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Is it the dogma itself that saves, or the thing working alive behind the dogma that does that job. If that was so, it would not self-contradict at all. The self-contradiction only arrives if one assumes the dogma was dead text, but if it was dead it would not save and there was nothing to consider in the beginning.Originally posted by Ito_^:wad if a baby died when he was 2 years old without knowing the bible, much less ur deep deeep deeeeeep deeeeeeeeeeeep christian dogmas and philosophy.
and definitely no good works to talk about. other den pissing his diapers and endless crying..
off to hell he goes?
So one has to start with the notion that the dogma is real in the sense of the creed for the sake of the argument. So then, if the Christian dogmas indeed were alive how would it work with a 2 year old?
I for one, dissent from the opinion that a 2-year old goes to hell in death. If anything it has been humanity that has been showing callous disregard for children, not God. For our rights of the older too many have been killed, when the older should have been protecting these children. It seems to me this creed in part cannot just come from my sheer instinct (or I could just choose to ignore it when it suits me), but from some higher source of direction beyond me.
When I consider that possibility, the dogma is hardly dogma. It's that way because the reality of stuff is indeed that... it's is so strange. Strange but not self-contradictory... it is us it seems that are the self-contradictory ones. -
If there was an ultimate truth then one might have to accept there was a way of dealing with it. It seems to me that all religions are the result of this fact, even Christianity. It also seems to me from first principles that not all religions are equal in appealing to this ultimate truth. In short, one may say that all roads may lead to Rome, but not all actually reach there. This is the problem with absolutes but we can't abandon them without abandoning much rational thought... in which case there would be no need to ask any question at all for all questions and answers are equally worthless.Originally posted by Ito_^:what about the people who believe and/or accept the teaching of other religions?
Of course the claim from it's proponents is that Christianity is the best and only method of appealing to this ultimate truth. This may seem arrogrant but it only takes a moment's thought to see the rationale behind this. This is but another absolute truth claim, and the real issue is to see this absolute truth claim is true, and if it is, why so.
It also begs the question that if this is true, then it would not be arrogrant at all to say that it is the only way as to hold back and not do so for the sake of P.C.-ness would be a very great evil. You are in your own beliefs, knowingly tossing many people to their doom for the sake of not offending them or appearing arrogrant.
I will grant that the danger of believing that you are the only way is that some might become arrogrant, but that is the very nature of the knowledge of the truth (unlawfully used it tends to puff the ego), and I believe is utterly against the very spirit of Christianity itself.
But if I was drowining I might want to find something that works, not everything that might not find me rescue for the sake of not being arrogrant or to be fair to the rest. High stakes there are here, and who is to blame for pushing the issue so starkly? It would be an evil not to do so. If there was a bomb to explode I might think less of startling and distrupting people's lives in the area and more of getting them out.
The argument on the arrogrance of Christianity cannot be valid unless it's very creeds state that it should not be the only way... but it says the very exact opposite thing. So we are quite helpless.