i am an athetist.
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the universe is so complex with so many things which do not have answers yet because we dun know and we do not have tools that can help us get more information.
so the fact is we do not know many things about universe. but people like to think universe must be created by god because it is so complex. this is a wrong opinion. we dun know means we dun know.
people in the past dun know how thunder comes about but does that mean that thunder is thing of god? -
you sounds more like an agnostic.Originally posted by january:the universe is so complex with so many things which do not have answers yet because we dun know and we do not have tools that can help us get more information.
so the fact is we do not know many things about universe. but people like to think universe must be created by god because it is so complex. this is a wrong opinion. we dun know means we dun know.
people in the past dun know how thunder comes about but does that mean that thunder is thing of god? -
a. are you casino king?
b. atheist -
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.
20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. -
Now people more advanced liao. We no longer use god as the reason for thunder and lightning.Originally posted by january:the universe is so complex with so many things which do not have answers yet because we dun know and we do not have tools that can help us get more information.
so the fact is we do not know many things about universe. but people like to think universe must be created by god because it is so complex. this is a wrong opinion. we dun know means we dun know.
people in the past dun know how thunder comes about but does that mean that thunder is thing of god?
your reasoning is outdated.
NEXT!
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Well I don't think we know everything.
But in lieu of the facts, what is the best thing to believe that will give you objectivity? -
dont sound very much like an atheist to me...
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Lol. You are definitely not atheist. Either that, or you just have weak arguments to be one.
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Hi welcome to EH.Originally posted by january:the universe is so complex with so many things which do not have answers yet because we dun know and we do not have tools that can help us get more information.
so the fact is we do not know many things about universe. but people like to think universe must be created by god because it is so complex. this is a wrong opinion. we dun know means we dun know.
people in the past dun know how thunder comes about but does that mean that thunder is thing of god?
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He is confused...Originally posted by SocialOutcast:Lol. You are definitely not atheist. Either that, or you just have weak arguments to be one. -
I'm seriously disappointed with the atheist's that are coming into EH these days, they don't even know the fundamental atheist's proofs.
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nevermind lah, as long as come here to seek answer with sincerity, should be ok one.Originally posted by plo30360:I'm seriously disappointed with the atheist's that are coming into EH these days, they don't even know the fundamental atheist's proofs. -
Why should anyone need dramatic reasons to be an athiest? To be frank the pure athiest code is a hard code to believe because it involves having the unshakable conviction that all things are the naturalistic, irrational products of a meaingless event.
This would mean that all the things we feel like right or wrong, good or bad, love, hate, sadness, happiness are nothing more then just very convincing biochemical processes in our brain... so why do we have to listen to them? Indeed it seems that when I do hold the pure athiestic code, it would actually be very liberating, I could remove all the boundaries of morality and act in whatever way I please. More so, this says that every thought is equally the result of purely natural processes that should not be given any meaning (meaning is an illusion), this means that all thoughts are equally worthless, including atheism itself. It cuts its own throat.
If I could get away with it I could murder, rape, loot, lie, steal... why not? All things are just arrangements of matter. Nothing is good or bad, the difference is between those who have power and those who have not. Truth is just a personal illusion that we are better off altering to suit our needs.
Of course this is not easy to do. While it is easy to say that I am a poached egg, it is more important that I believe that I have the same rights as a poached egg. I must disregard other things like eating, drinking, thinking and the like as equally unnatural for myself. It's odd that in holding the creed of athiesm many still fight viciously against the percieved evils and unfairness of religon when they should realize that vicious feelings have no more right then wanting to eat cheese.
So this is the strange part, if the greatest rejections of God come from the notion that the world is so unfair... where exactly does this feeling of unfairness come from?
Certainly for it to be valid it must not be found in naturalistic atheism as that just claims that all thought and feelings are not more rational then your liking for cheese. The odd thing is that in appealing to stuff like how religion is evil and unfair one might have argued in part for a God, as much as they don't believe in Him.
There might be true athiests out there, and indeed these people might live from the weight of one instinct to the next. But I am of the belief that many people who claim to be athiests are actually not whom they say they are. -
Sorry, This is a part that I had by far personally feel is most pluzzling as well, until I read this book, "Who Say God is Fair" (I read the chinese translation of this book)Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:So this is the strange part, if the greatest rejections of God come from the notion that the world is so unfair... where exactly does this feeling of unfairness come from?
I mean, if one is to look at the character of God (as written in the Bible), there is no mention of God being fair.
we have God being Just, Love, Faithful, Strong, ... etc, but not fair.
Make it this way, the very salvation plan in one way is not really fair.
Christ who knew no sin, had to suffer and died as a payment for penalty for my sins. In this, God is Just, the penalty of my sins have to be paid, God is Love, that by His grace, He had given us His Son to pay the penalty that I can never pay.
God is fair? no
but God is Just, Love, Faithful, Strong....
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Christ tan dio you know? It is like you lose small but earn big.Originally posted by vince69:Make it this way, the very salvation plan in one way is not really fair.
Christ who knew no sin, had to suffer and died as a payment for penalty for my sins. In this, God is Just, the penalty of my sins have to be paid, God is Love, that by His grace, He had given us His Son to pay the penalty that I can never pay.
In Narnia .. the Lion had to be mocked and tortured to death. In the end, he was resurrected and became more powerful.
You can argue, the Lion was innocent why did it have to be tortured?
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so .. you want to start a FAQ to acquaint them?Originally posted by plo30360:I'm seriously disappointed with the atheist's that are coming into EH these days, they don't even know the fundamental atheist's proofs.
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tan dio sim me?Originally posted by Icemoon:Christ tan dio you know? It is like you lose small but earn big.
In Narnia .. the Lion had to be mocked and tortured to death. In the end, he was resurrected and became more powerful.
You can argue, the Lion was innocent why did it have to be tortured? 
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icemoon go start a forum lor, Atheism 101
then i be CRO -
what is tan dio ah?Originally posted by vince69:tan dio sim me?
I think something like your zuan4 dao4 -
I am not inside the fellowship of atheist .. sorryOriginally posted by laurence82:icemoon go start a forum lor, Atheism 101
then i be CRO -
Then start the fellowship of the ring lorOriginally posted by Icemoon:I am not inside the fellowship of atheist .. sorry -
I agree with you. It will take an even greater faith to believe in atheism or be an atheist.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Why should anyone need dramatic reasons to be an athiest? To be frank the pure athiest code is a hard code to believe because it involves having the unshakable conviction that all things are the naturalistic, irrational products of a meaingless event.
This would mean that all the things we feel like right or wrong, good or bad, love, hate, sadness, happiness are nothing more then just very convincing biochemical processes in our brain... so why do we have to listen to them? Indeed it seems that when I do hold the pure athiestic code, it would actually be very liberating, I could remove all the boundaries of morality and act in whatever way I please. More so, this says that every thought is equally the result of purely natural processes that should not be given any meaning (meaning is an illusion), this means that all thoughts are equally worthless, including atheism itself. It cuts its own throat.
If I could get away with it I could murder, rape, loot, lie, steal... why not? All things are just arrangements of matter. Nothing is good or bad, the difference is between those who have power and those who have not. Truth is just a personal illusion that we are better off altering to suit our needs.
Of course this is not easy to do. While it is easy to say that I am a poached egg, it is more important that I believe that I have the same rights as a poached egg. I must disregard other things like eating, drinking, thinking and the like as equally unnatural for myself. It's odd that in holding the creed of athiesm many still fight viciously against the percieved evils and unfairness of religon when they should realize that vicious feelings have no more right then wanting to eat cheese.
So this is the strange part, if the greatest rejections of God come from the notion that the world is so unfair... where exactly does this feeling of unfairness come from?
Certainly for it to be valid it must not be found in naturalistic atheism as that just claims that all thought and feelings are not more rational then your liking for cheese. The odd thing is that in appealing to stuff like how religion is evil and unfair one might have argued in part for a God, as much as they don't believe in Him.
There might be true athiests out there, and indeed these people might live from the weight of one instinct to the next. But I am of the belief that many people who claim to be athiests are actually not whom they say they are. -
Sorry dont agree.Originally posted by vince69:Sorry, This is a part that I had by far personally feel is most pluzzling as well, until I read this book, "Who Say God is Fair" (I read the chinese translation of this book)
I mean, if one is to look at the character of God (as written in the Bible), there is no mention of God being fair.
we have God being Just, Love, Faithful, Strong, ... etc, but not fair.
Make it this way, the very salvation plan in one way is not really fair.
Christ who knew no sin, had to suffer and died as a payment for penalty for my sins. In this, God is Just, the penalty of my sins have to be paid, God is Love, that by His grace, He had given us His Son to pay the penalty that I can never pay.
God is fair? no
but God is Just, Love, Faithful, Strong....
But if you are saying God CANNOT be fair, then i agree bcos He simply cannot bcos we are all condemned to hell as sinners & nobody can tell God that he is being unfair by throwing him/her into hell for all the good deeds he/she has done, as we all need to accept Jesus & be reborn to be saved & washed by His blood. -
Originally posted by Raptured:Sorry dont agree.
But if you are saying God CANNOT be fair, then i agree bcos He simply cannot bcos we are all condemned to hell as sinners & nobody can tell God that he is being unfair by throwing him/her into hell for all the good deeds he/she has done, as we all need to accept Jesus & be reborn to be saved & washed by His blood. I am simply pointing out the idea that "God must be fair", is an inaccurate statement and a wrong concept about the character of God.