Equality of Man/Woman
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actually ive been reading an interesting paper about gender equality. "the equality of men and women" by marie le jars de gourney. have we ever been through this topic of gender equality before?
it attempts to explain that the reason why jesus was a guy was becuz if he had been a woman, than the society back then would promptly rejected him. so basically it puts the blame of sexist thought on society, and not religion. than it goes on giving examples of glorious women, etc.
what do you think of gender equality issue in your church? does god intentionally placed woman in an inferior position under man? or the man under the superiority of women?
lol forgot to add my own view to start with.
my view is that sexism is placed by the society, although man and woman are different they can achieve the same accomplishment - and definitely the same salvation. they can be in leadership role, and definitely can be the master.
but the problem is, the mindset that woman cannot achieve better than man is very potent in all of us. in fact when you think of "successful"* woman, she is claimed to be as good as man, but hardly you hear she is better than man. and when a woman gets successful, sometimes, the first person to critisize are not men but other woman. very sad fact; even women are sexists against themselves sometimes. (which can be disadvantageous for guys too, e.g. in sexual acts, the court i believe favor woman over man in sexual misconduct.)
church wise, even the female pastor in chc is abit more like siderole, with more focus on the male pastors during main sermons.
i don't know what should be the ideal scenerio, but girls don't need to be a helper all the time; nor should every girl be treated like a princess forever.
*in leadership positions, etc, that is dominant by guys. my mom successful oso hor, in making me fat.
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ah......very controversial this topic.....Originally posted by Ito_^:actually ive been reading an interesting paper about gender equality. "the equality of men and women" by marie le jars de gourney. have we ever been through this topic of gender equality before?
it attempts to explain that the reason why jesus was a guy was becuz if he had been a woman, than the society back then would promptly rejected him. so basically it puts the blame of sexist thought on society, and not religion. than it goes on giving examples of glorious women, etc.
what do you think of gender equality issue in your church? does god intentionally placed woman in an inferior position under man? or the man under the superiority of women?
imho, there will forever be gender issue, whether in church or in society. Even at work, women earn much less than guys and the top management is always the guy. So this trend is going to stay.
I dun think God intentionally placed woman in an inferior position, as the woman is man's helper (not slave
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and man should not be under the superiority of women (as stated from above, woman is helper, not master) -
sleep better....
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very simple what, man is man, woman is woman, not the same, meaning a man is not a woman, a woman is not a man....
ok.... serious, this is my personal view, man and woman are created equal but design to function differently. hence a man cannot function as a woman, neither a woman function like a man, so cannot interchange.
example (maybe a bad one), we have 2 hands, left hand and right hand, both are different (cannot put left hand on the right side and vice versa). both can function independantly, but can do even more together. Cut either one off and the person become a crippled.
Peace...
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Wrong lah. Jesus was a guy because He is the SON of God.Originally posted by Ito_^:it attempts to explain that the reason why jesus was a guy was becuz if he had been a woman, than the society back then would promptly rejected him. so basically it puts the blame of sexist thought on society, and not religion. than it goes on giving examples of glorious women, etc.
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People mistake equality for being identical.
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if men and women are the same..
does this mean transexuals will rule the earth>
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ok. why is he the son of god and not daughter or god?Originally posted by Icemoon:Wrong lah. Jesus was a guy because He is the SON of God. -
no.. non existent. but.. no thanks to that too.Originally posted by blackchickenahkai:if men and women are the same..
does this mean transexuals will rule the earth> -
no, never had that in mind at all.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:People mistake equality for being identical.
Big mistake. -
if the us was rules by a female president..then only we talk..
it should be in about 10-20 years
then..PM me -
pssssttt ... there are rumors that the next us presidential election will be between 2 woman (CR vs HC) ....Originally posted by blackchickenahkai:if the us was rules by a female president..then only we talk..
it should be in about 10-20 years
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Why call Him a father at all?Originally posted by Ito_^:ok. why is he the son of god and not daughter or god?
Because we insist on trying to impose a gender on God... the thing is we must realize that God far exceeds a biological notion such as that. The notion of gender is to help us understand Him, but obviously this label is actually too weak a notion.
But having said that, using no terms on God does not help us at all. It's as good as saying nothing about Him. And trying to be politically correct does not help at all, except to degenerate any ideas that He is into terms that everybody can be comfortable with. It is obvious He is something, and He is also not something else. Refering to Him as a 'He', hardly means that He has a gender, but it seems to imply that rather, as C.S. Lewis said, God is such so powerful and awe inspiring that we are [I]all[i] feminine in relation to Him. He is always makes the first move, and we can only respond.
Hence many parts of the way He relates to us we may very well assign a male notion to, not because He is literally male, and not also because He is metaphorically male, but simply because He is [i]trans-male[/I], far more the father, lover, brother, friend then any man could ever beÂ… and more. Obviously there is a reason He is referred to as 'He', and I suspect that is a big part of the notion.
Now this of course by no means suppose that we are forbidden to try to discover any feminine traits in God, but we cannot do it for the sake of political correctness lest we destroy the way we should really understand Him as. It is obvious that God can also mother and nurture far better then the greatest instincts of any woman, but to suggest that we should relate to Him as if He was an equal split of male and female features would be erroneous, not because He is not that way, but simply because He is beyond thatÂ… and it is in our good to regard Him in masculine notions, lest we not understand anything at all.
Now on being the Son of God and not a Daughter, yet again it seems to me that Jesus' function (to humanity say the least) was to be of that of the returning King, the Prince of Light, the Redeemer. A lot of the incarnation involved doing things that are male responsibilities. Could God have chosen a different way to incarnate and let us understand it by? Perhaps, but He choose this way for a reason, and these are my plausible speculationsÂ… perhaps if the God-given notion of gender was like the Amazons, it might have been different. But it's obvious that the issue has to be some ways, and if it's some ways it's not the other way.
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Woman or Man, each has their own part to play.