catholic and christianity whats de difference
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hi guys , wats de difference between de two above , i just wan to know since im a hindu & buddist , i would like to know de difference between catholic and christianity, cos i always think its the same , but i heard somewhere its not de same , but no explanation was given to me , cos de guy who told me this was malay dude .
sO whats de difference , AND PLS DONT START A RELIGiON WAR , i would just like to know .
Cos its interesting to find out of other religion and respecting then at de same time .
Cheers -
Hello there.
The correct question you should ask is:
"What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism?"
Because Catholicism and Protestantism are under Christianity. -
And please, a personal plea, dont degenerate into Catholics =/= Christians rhetorics or debate again.
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Lets start with the similar things
Catholics and Protestants, both comes from the same roots, whorship the same God, saved by the same saviour Jesus Christ, guide by the same Holy Spirit.
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Hi there!Originally posted by gUms:hi guys , wats de difference between de two above , i just wan to know since im a hindu & buddist , i would like to know de difference between catholic and christianity, cos i always think its the same , but i heard somewhere its not de same , but no explanation was given to me , cos de guy who told me this was malay dude .
sO whats de difference , AND PLS DONT START A RELIGiON WAR , i would just like to know .
Cos its interesting to find out of other religion and respecting then at de same time .
Cheers
We are all Christians. Very hard to explain in one post. Catholic and Christians (Protestant Christians) have difference in theologies.
Recommend u some sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church
This is abt the Roman Catholic Church
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation
This is abt the Protestant Reformation. I am a Presbyterian and I come under "Protestants".
You can search for more related info at wikipedia. This list abt the reformation is a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reformation
See ya! -
i have totally no idea , anything u mention , thats why i came here to ask .
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U can try read thru the links I provided first.Originally posted by gUms:i have totally no idea , anything u mention , thats why i came here to ask .
Any specific thing u want to know? Becoz differences cannot be summarised into one post. -
tanks dude
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in my opinion, they are as similar as they are different..
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no prob dude, any urgent question still can post hereOriginally posted by gUms:tanks dude -
Dont forget the Eastern Orthodoxy denomination:Originally posted by laoda99:Hi there!
We are all Christians. Very hard to explain in one post. Catholic and Christians (Protestant Christians) have difference in theologies.
Recommend u some sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church
This is abt the Roman Catholic Church
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation
This is abt the Protestant Reformation. I am a Presbyterian and I come under "Protestants".
You can search for more related info at wikipedia. This list abt the reformation is a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reformation
See ya!
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Objectively speaking the difference lies on major doctrinal points.Originally posted by gUms:hi guys , wats de difference between de two above , i just wan to know since im a hindu & buddist , i would like to know de difference between catholic and christianity, cos i always think its the same , but i heard somewhere its not de same , but no explanation was given to me , cos de guy who told me this was malay dude .
sO whats de difference , AND PLS DONT START A RELIGiON WAR , i would just like to know .
Cos its interesting to find out of other religion and respecting then at de same time .
Cheers
We evangelicals/fundamentalist [modern names of protestant] believe that
a) salvation is through faith alone in Christ alone through His grace alone.
b) We get our teachings solely on the Bible.
c) We believe in the priesthood of all Christians [men and women]. -
as for the Catholic view, the obverse applies.Originally posted by Ironside:Objectively speaking the difference lies on major doctrinal points.
We evangelicals/fundamentalist [modern names of protestant] believe that
a) salvation is through faith alone in Christ alone through His grace alone.
b) We get our teachings solely on the Bible.
c) We believe in the priesthood of all Christians [men and women].
a) Salvation is through grace alone, via works and faith.
b) The Bible and Sacred Tradition goes hand in hand, not the Bible alone.
c) There are two priesthoods: The universal priesthood of the believers; and the ministerial priesthood of the deacons, priests and bishops. -
sorry hah.... me confused
pls help, thanks.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:as for the Catholic view, the obverse applies.
a) Salvation is through grace alone, via works and faith.
sorry can't reconcile, grace via works??? if via works, I thought that would be reward? grace is undeserved favor, is it not?
b) The Bible and Sacred Tradition goes hand in hand, not the Bible alone.
what happen if conflicts between tradition and Bible?
c) There are two priesthoods: The universal priesthood of the believers; and the ministerial priesthood of the deacons, priests and bishops.
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You are right, grace is undeserved.
sorry can't reconcile, grace via works??? if via works, I thought that would be reward? grace is undeserved favor, is it not?
However grace inspired faith and works are the response or that manifestation to that intial grace which is given.
INDIVIDUAL SALVATION
It begins with the grace of God which touches a sinner's heart, and calls him to repentance. This grace cannot be merited; it proceeds solely from the love and mercy of God. Man may receive or reject this inspiration of God, he may turn to God or remain in sin. Grace does not constrain man's free will.
Thus assisted the sinner is disposed for salvation from sin; he believes in the revelation and promises of God, he fears God's justice, hopes in his mercy, trusts that God will be merciful to him for Christ's sake, begins to love God as the source of all justice, hates and detests his sins.
This disposition is followed by justification itself, which consists not in the mere remission of sins, but in the sanctification and renewal of the inner man by the voluntary reception of God's grace and gifts, whence a man becomes just instead of unjust, a friend instead of a foe and so an heir according to hope of eternal life. This change happens either by reason of a perfect act of charity elicited by a well disposed sinner or by virtue of the Sacrament either of Baptism or of Penance according to the condition of the respective subject laden with sin. By the merit of the Most Holy Passion through the Holy Spirit, the charity of God is shed abroad in the hearts of those who are justified.- that the initial grace is truly gratuitous and supernatural;
that the human will remains free under the influence of this grace;
that man really cooperates in his personal salvation from sin;
that by justification man is really made just, and not merely declared or reputed so;
that justification and sanctification are only two aspects of the same thing, and not ontologically and chronologically distinct realities;
that justification excludes all mortal sin from the soul, so that the just man is no way liable to the sentence of death at God's judgment-seat.
taken from : http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13407a.htm
Well, from the Catholic point of view, so far Sacred Tradition has not contradicted the Bible. However, I'm sure there are some non-Catholic Christians who'll object to that.
The Bible and Sacred Tradition goes hand in hand, not the Bible alone.
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Thanks for the respondsOriginally posted by plo30360:Well, from the Catholic point of view, so far Sacred Tradition has not contradicted the Bible. However, I'm sure there are some non-Catholic Christians who'll object to that.
so I can rephrase the statement to
a) Salvation is through grace alone, inspiring faith and to produce good works.
b) as for traditions, we hold differing tradition to start with, so cannot really comment much. just a curious thought that I had been pondering as well (not just Catholic's, but also on the Protestant's traditions also) -
sorry can't reconcile, grace via works??? if via works, I thought that would be reward? grace is undeserved favor, is it not?
Let us first define grace. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia: 'Grace (gratia, Charis), in general, is a supernatural gift of God to intellectual creatures (men, angels) for their eternal salvation, whether the latter be furthered and attained through salutary acts or a state of holiness.'
We can divide grace into 'actual grace' and 'sanctifying grace'. Sanctifying grace is a supernatural quality which the Sacrament of Baptism confers on the human soul. It sanctifies the soul and elevates her beyond her mere natural abilities, thus enabling her to commune with God. This grace is permanent unless forfeited by mortal sin. Sanctifying grace is sometimes called habitual grace, for it is "habitually" (or constantly) present in the soul.
Actual grace is a aid given by God for us to carry out a specific good work according to the Divine Will.
Having defined two forms of grace, I have shown that it therefore is not merely divine favour, but a form of power. What good is grace if this power is not utilized? Can we take it for granted?what happen if conflicts between tradition and Bible?
Sacred Tradition is not be thought of as 'traditions of men', because it is the faith which the Apostles have recieved from Jesus orally. The Bible is important, but not everything is written in it.
When you speak of 'tradition', what do you refer to? -
plo30360:
Did the brothers ask you to go to the Day of Recollection? -
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plo30360:
Did the brothers ask you to go to the Day of Recollection?
Yes, will you be going as well
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Can I have some examples of sacred tradition apostles received from Jesus orally?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Sacred Tradition is not be thought of as 'traditions of men', because it is the faith which the Apostles have recieved from Jesus orally. The Bible is important, but not everything is written in it.
When you speak of 'tradition', what do you refer to? -
your definition of Grace.. very chiam... the version I have is simply this.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Sacred Tradition is not be thought of as 'traditions of men', because it is the faith which the Apostles have recieved from Jesus orally. The Bible is important, but not everything is written in it.
When you speak of 'tradition', what do you refer to?
Grace = unearned, unmerited favor.
If need to earn one or merited one, then its called reward not grace.
Tradition of men, basically man made practices.
personally, when one believe that not everything is written in the Bible, this is dangerous cause this means its open to all sort of additionsto it, as people can claim extra biblical revelations simply claiming the Bible is not complete (which is any sense, not true, the Bible is completed) -
One honours the virgin mary, the other doesnt.
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Hmmmm... always believe in giving honors where honor is due...Originally posted by shade343:One honours the virgin mary, the other doesnt. -
not going.. not free..Originally posted by plo30360:code:plo30360:
Did the brothers ask you to go to the Day of Recollection?
Yes, will you be going as well ?
nobody called me along anyway. =( -
