The Lies of Christmas
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1. Christmas is the birthday of Messiah
Messiah Yeshua was born during Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles), not on December 25. It is this celebration that the prophets say will be kept by all nations in the Kingdom of Messiah.
2. Christmas is a holy day
Only G-d can make a day holy, by the utterance of His mouth. No where has G-d proclaimed Christmas (December 25) to be a holy day. December 25 is a day of the pagan feast called Saturnalia. Pope Julius declared December 25 to be "Christmas Day" in 359 A.D. Those who adhere to this, even unkowingly, are accepting the authority of an apostate church.
3. Santa Claus is good
Santa Claus, or the St. Nicholas legend, is a fantasy that substitutes the benevolent Santa for the benevolent G-d Most High as our Father. To substitute anything or anyone for G-d is idolatry.
4. Christmas is about giving
Christmas time, by the actions of people, is about buying and giving in order to get. It fosters reciprocal greed. It falsely teaches children that they have a right to their covetous desires ("What do you want for Christmas?") and a right to marketed toys (ie: "Toys for Tots"). G-d commanded to teach children His Word ("You shall not covet" "The L-RD is my Shepherd, I shall not want" "Give and it shall be given to you") all year long.
5. Christmas is not based in evil
Christmas means "Christ-Mass" which is the Catholic service of performing the death of Messiah over again, and physically ingesting His actual body and blood (according to their belief). This is an abominable idea, which is totally unbiblical and akin to cannabalistic thinking (pagan cannabals eat human flesh because they think they will take on the traits of the person eaten).
6. The tree and holly are innocent decorations
The celebration of the Saturnalia tree and holly branches is rooted in the ancient pagan practice of the Asherah (goddess of good luck) poles (Jeremiah. 10:10) in which a tree is cut down, put in the house and decorated for good luck and hope that winter will be short. In ancient times, as offerings to and from the gods, gifts were put under the tree. Today the effect is the same as the family bows down to the tree to get the gifts, which they cannot open until the unholy day of December 25! Even the old pagan "fertility balls" are put on the modern tree.
7. Christmas causes care for others
Police reports every year show that "Christmas time" is the worst for robberies, assaults, missing persons and suicides. Clinics show an increase in depression and other mental illnesses during this season. For conscience sake the homeless and destitute may be given meals and toys, while they are mostly forgotten the rest of the year. In a sense these needy people are "paid off" once per year so that they may be ignored the rest of it. Is it not cruelty to fill the stomach of the starved, then leave them again to their hunger pains?
8. Christmas causes people to come to the L-RD
Which L-RD? The One of the Scriptures, or some corrupted, man made invention? Do people then begin celebrating according to G-d's Word? Is their heart changed to seek out all righteousness, or have they just fallen in love with the "spirit" of the season? Remember, the true Holy Spirit of G-d only obeys and promotes the Scriptural Holy Days of the Most High. So what "spirit" then is the "Spirit of Christmas". By their fruit you shall know them.
Messianic Rabbi David M. Hargis -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
1. Christmas is the birthday of Messiah
Messiah Yeshua was born during Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles), not on December 25. It is this celebration that the prophets say will be kept by all nations in the Kingdom of Messiah.
2. Christmas is a holy day
Only G-d can make a day holy, by the utterance of His mouth. No where has G-d proclaimed Christmas (December 25) to be a holy day. December 25 is a day of the pagan feast called Saturnalia. Pope Julius declared December 25 to be "Christmas Day" in 359 A.D. Those who adhere to this, even unkowingly, are accepting the authority of an apostate church.
3. Santa Claus is good
Santa Claus, or the St. Nicholas legend, is a fantasy that substitutes the benevolent Santa for the benevolent G-d Most High as our Father. To substitute anything or anyone for G-d is idolatry.
I don't remember anyone worshipping Santa..
4. Christmas is about giving
Christmas time, by the actions of people, is about buying and giving in order to get. It fosters reciprocal greed. It falsely teaches children that they have a right to their covetous desires ("What do you want for Christmas?") and a right to marketed toys (ie: "Toys for Tots"). G-d commanded to teach children His Word ("You shall not covet" "The L-RD is my Shepherd, I shall not want" "Give and it shall be given to you") all year long.
give to the poort and needy is not greed.
5. Christmas is not based in evil
Christmas means "Christ-Mass" which is the Catholic service of performing the death of Messiah over again, and physically ingesting His actual body and blood (according to their belief). This is an abominable idea, which is totally unbiblical and akin to cannabalistic thinking (pagan cannabals eat human flesh because they think they will take on the traits of the person eaten).
so catholics are cannibals?
6. The tree and holly are innocent decorations
The celebration of the Saturnalia tree and holly branches is rooted in the ancient pagan practice of the Asherah (goddess of good luck) poles (Jeremiah. 10:10) in which a tree is cut down, put in the house and decorated for good luck and hope that winter will be short. In ancient times, as offerings to and from the gods, gifts were put under the tree. Today the effect is the same as the family bows down to the tree to get the gifts, which they cannot open until the unholy day of December 25! Even the old pagan "fertility balls" are put on the modern tree.
7. Christmas causes care for others
Police reports every year show that "Christmas time" is the worst for robberies, assaults, missing persons and suicides. Clinics show an increase in depression and other mental illnesses during this season. For conscience sake the homeless and destitute may be given meals and toys, while they are mostly forgotten the rest of the year. In a sense these needy people are "paid off" once per year so that they may be ignored the rest of it. Is it not cruelty to fill the stomach of the starved, then leave them again to their hunger pains?
who says not christmas ppl dun donate? look at NKF!!
8. Christmas causes people to come to the L-RD
Which L-RD? The One of the Scriptures, or some corrupted, man made invention? Do people then begin celebrating according to G-d's Word? Is their heart changed to seek out all righteousness, or have they just fallen in love with the "spirit" of the season? Remember, the true Holy Spirit of G-d only obeys and promotes the Scriptural Holy Days of the Most High. So what "spirit" then is the "Spirit of Christmas". By their fruit you shall know them.
Messianic Rabbi David M. Hargis
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The words of a Rabbi do not make it canonical.
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Neither does the word of the Pope or Billy Graham.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The words of a Rabbi do not make it canonical. -
I dun like rabbits....
pls dun be split personality like icemoon leh.... -
Originally posted by laoda99:I dun like rabbits....
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nor Jerry Falwell or that divisive scum Pat Robertson...Originally posted by Icemoon:Neither does the word of the Pope or Billy Graham.
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What you have said about Christmas is true.
Only the thing is, Christians only celebrate Christmas to commemorate Christ, and I don't see anything wrong with it. Some even take this time to tell people about Christ. We certainly don't have anything to do with Santa Claus, and all the made-up stuff. -
Only muddled Christians might be under the impression that Christmas is a God-demanded holy day, and a little look into history would clear it all up. The sheer virtue of the date has very little effect on Christianity I would suspect.
All the same, I think it has taken on another and more significant thing altogether. And all the same I see no need in discontuning with the tradition as long as we know what we are really doing and for what.
It would be fallacious to argue for or against Christmas on it's very misconceptions, unless of course one is trying in some way to cure people of their more deluded and taken-for-granted Christian beliefs... but that only reveals a true Christianity that I have yet to see as lacking. -
The meaning of Christmas is not the day, this song title 'Imagine Me Without You' by Jaci Velasquez speaks of how i feel.
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i do not have a split personality...Originally posted by laoda99:I dun like rabbits....
pls dun be split personality like icemoon leh....
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Christmas is a Holi-day.....
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did God make it Holy?Originally posted by laoda99:Christmas is a Holi-day..... -
The calender make it a holidayOriginally posted by breytonhartge:did God make it Holy? -
~clap clap clap clap clap~Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Only muddled Christians might be under the impression that Christmas is a God-demanded holy day, and a little look into history would clear it all up. The sheer virtue of the date has very little effect on Christianity I would suspect.
All the same, I think it has taken on another and more significant thing altogether. And all the same I see no need in discontuning with the tradition as long as we know what we are really doing and for what.
It would be fallacious to argue for or against Christmas on it's very misconceptions, unless of course one is trying in some way to cure people of their more deluded and taken-for-granted Christian beliefs... but that only reveals a true Christianity that I have yet to see as lacking. -
me follow my mum who is salvation army staff to ring bells for donations on Christmas....Christmas is a time for giving and rejoice.....I like Christmas!!!
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This Rabbi, seems to be more Protestant than Jewish.
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Messianic Rabbi mah .. they're closer to Christianity than Judaism.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:This Rabbi, seems to be more Protestant than Jewish. -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Dear Rabbit... oops.... Rabbi sir,
6. The tree and holly are innocent decorations
8. Christmas causes people to come to the L-RD
Which L-RD? The One of the Scriptures, or some corrupted, man made invention? Do people then begin celebrating according to G-d's Word? Is their heart changed to seek out all righteousness, or have they just fallen in love with the "spirit" of the season? Remember, the true Holy Spirit of G-d only obeys and promotes the Scriptural Holy Days of the Most High. So what "spirit" then is the "Spirit of Christmas". By their fruit you shall know them.
Messianic Rabbi David M. Hargis[/b]
6. I am glad u know the trees are innocent.
8. I was saved during Christmas. Am I a bad fruit? Think u mistaken, in case u dunno, I am a durian. I smell but I am a good fruit. Please drop in someday and eat some durians. Oops...I forgot u are Jewish, can u eat durians?
Thank u
Laoda99 -
Ok, let's celebrate Hannukah instead of Christmas.
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NO!Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Ok, let's celebrate Hannukah instead of Christmas.
Yay~!
actually i dunnoe wad hannukah is..
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Hi guys, its is always been a hot debate point with regards to this issue. However, i believe that this is getting nowhere and can we like put this behind us and move on.
If you guys still want to contest on this topic, may i suggest that you guys just open 1 thread and air your views there instead of opening so many threads in debate.
Thank you for your kind understanding.
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hannukah matata.....Originally posted by Ito_^:NO!
actually i dunnoe wad hannukah is..
what a beautiful name.....