law .. law .. law
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I'm irritated when some Christians "accuse" other religious followers of following the LAW, whether they are Buddhists, Jews or even Christians.
Why is there this [mis]-conception that other religious followers are following the LAW in order to receive salvation?
In the first place, the very same Christians are following the LAW of grace.
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izzit because.....Some of them say they can get to heaven by doing good?Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm irritated when some Christians "accuse" other religious followers of following the LAW, whether they are Buddhists, Jews or even Christians.
Why is there this [mis]-conception that other religious followers are following the LAW in order to receive salvation?
In the first place, the very same Christians are following the LAW of grace. -
One can't get to heaven by doing good bcos one bounds to have sinned a small sin here & there. & God sees it in secret. & how to balance the good & evil one has done? What is the std of measure? How much good before evil is overcome or outweighed?Originally posted by SocialOutcast:izzit because.....Some of them say they can get to heaven by doing good? -
got meh?Originally posted by SocialOutcast:izzit because.....Some of them say they can get to heaven by doing good? -
maybe the ratio is 1:666.Originally posted by Raptured:One can't get to heaven by doing good bcos one bounds to have sinned a small sin here & there. & God sees it in secret. & how to balance the good & evil one has done? What is the std of measure? How much good before evil is overcome or outweighed?
I mean 1 good deed can outweigh 666 bad ones.
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erm, i think buddhists do not aim to go to heaven, but aim to gain enlightenment.Originally posted by SocialOutcast:izzit because.....Some of them say they can get to heaven by doing good?
their worldview is quite different from ours. -
That's a very twisted ratio. Usually ppl have to do more good deeds to atone for one bad deed. Maybe 100:1. For one bad deed, ppl have to do 100 good deeds.Originally posted by Icemoon:maybe the ratio is 1:666.
I mean 1 good deed can outweigh 666 bad ones. 
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Then how does one get to heaven? Don't tell me they also believe in faith alone. lolOriginally posted by Icemoon:got meh? -
Sorry arh... what is following the law? Law of grace?
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Yes can say soOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:erm, i think buddhists do not aim to go to heaven, but aim to gain enlightenment.
their worldview is quite different from ours.
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Mosaic law? 10 commandments?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sorry arh... what is following the law? Law of grace? -
Since when did grace entail lawlessness?
It transends law, but it does not destroy it... if there was no law to determine right and wrong there would be no grounds for grace itself to save us from anything. -
quite rightOriginally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Since when did grace entail lawlessness?
It transends law, but it does not destroy it... if there was no law to determine right and wrong there would be no grounds for grace itself to save us from anything. -
That's not true.Originally posted by Raptured:That's a very twisted ratio. Usually ppl have to do more good deeds to atone for one bad deed. Maybe 100:1. For one bad deed, ppl have to do 100 good deeds.
God is merciful.
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In a bigger context, it means following some rules, doing certain things, so that you will not go hell.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sorry arh... what is following the law? Law of grace? -
There is no law of grace in Christianity. Dun play with word games.Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm irritated when some Christians "accuse" other religious followers of following the LAW, whether they are Buddhists, Jews or even Christians.
Why is there this [mis]-conception that other religious followers are following the LAW in order to receive salvation?
In the first place, the very same Christians are following the LAW of grace.
Christians are no doubt living under grace provided for by our lord Jesus Christ. That is my only concern u can see in my posts as some "believers/half-heres/here theres" are stating otherwise.
Do not try to cause the misconception that Christians still need to follow the law in order to be saved. Our salvation is guaranteed thru the blood of our lord Jesus Christ. By saying we need to observe the law to earn our place in heaven is robbing god of his glory in his plans for salvation for us. -
Similarly, Christians should not spread the misconception other religious believers need the law in order to be saved.Originally posted by laoda99:Do not try to cause the misconception that Christians still need to follow the law in order to be saved. Our salvation is guaranteed thru the blood of our lord Jesus Christ. -
Icemoon,Originally posted by Icemoon:maybe the ratio is 1:666.
I mean 1 good deed can outweigh 666 bad ones.
This is my personal view on this, in regards to good deeds, bad deeds.
good deeds can never cover bad deeds, neither can a bad deed erase good deeds. If like this, how to calculate, cause each in themselves have different magnitude and consequences. -
This is strange .. considering Christians always like to accuse other religious followers of using good deeds to erase bad deeds.Originally posted by vince69:Icemoon,
This is my personal view on this, in regards to good deeds, bad deeds.
good deeds can never cover bad deeds, neither can a bad deed erase good deeds. If like this, how to calculate, cause each in themselves have different magnitude and consequences. -
Actually the consequence is more serious than just robbing God His glory in His Salvation plan for us.Originally posted by laoda99:There is no law of grace in Christianity. Dun play with word games.
Christians are no doubt living under grace provided for by our lord Jesus Christ. That is my only concern u can see in my posts as some "believers/half-heres/here theres" are stating otherwise.
Do not try to cause the misconception that Christians still need to follow the law in order to be saved. Our salvation is guaranteed thru the blood of our lord Jesus Christ. By saying we need to observe the law to earn our place in heaven is robbing god of his glory in his plans for salvation for us.
cause to say we can earn our place in heaven by observation of Law, its paramount to call Jesus a liar, cause He said, there is no other way but through Him. Also if good works can get us into heaven, then Christ died in vain. -
Who is spreading the misconception? u? I do not think any Christian here do that.Originally posted by Icemoon:Similarly, Christians should not spread the misconception other religious believers need the law in order to be saved.
But, u, as a non-Christian, should not spread the misconception that Christians are still under the law. There are young Christians reading this forum and u are giving them the impression that we are "living under the law of grace", which is utter rubbish. -
What icemoon might have meant was 'the covenant of Grace'Originally posted by laoda99:Who is spreading the misconception? u? I do not think any Christian here do that.
But, u, as a non-Christian, should not spread the misconception that Christians are still under the law. There are young Christians reading this forum and u are giving them the impression that we are "living under the law of grace", which is utter rubbish.
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Law of Grace?
I suppose if this is what you want to call it you could... but I think it hardly helps the English language nor rightfully describes the revolution that it is.
I'm sure if I am using my laptop now I am adhering to a certain set of a 'law of laptop using', but obviously the observation of this law is not my main concern.
This is quite different when you say that you have to actually pay a lot of attention to observing a particular set of laws to the point which the observation of the law itself becomes the primary point of the action itself. It would be more fitting to describe such a condition as being 'under the Law'.
Grace is something, so obviously it is also not something else. The consolidation of what Grace is can indeed be considered it's character, it's law. For example there's only one way to receive it, it comes free but not cheap, it entails certain changes in a life once somebody is under itÂ… these could be considered a 'law' in the sense of a law. But I doubt this is a helpful observation at all.
Obviously it has to be applied to any kind of concept for that concept to make sense; otherwise all our ideas would be formless and ungraspable.
Of course this is also not mentioning the fact that when Christians say that they are not 'under the Law' and under grace, they are obviously not saying that they are lawless. One can only draw such a conclusion if they haven't applied sufficient thinking to that issue or are just trying to be difficult or naughtyÂ… or perhaps honestly confused.
In any way, making the statement to this context refers to the fact that one can no longer rely on the system of legalistic law to earn his reconciliation with God. He instead has to rely on the grace that has been given that actually pays off all the debt that the law entails, but I think you already know this.
Indeed, why may I ask you pointed it out? Was it to point out a question or expose what you thought was an inconsistency on the part of the Christians? -
Har? Christians here never do that?Originally posted by laoda99:Who is spreading the misconception? u? I do not think any Christian here do that.
But, u, as a non-Christian, should not spread the misconception that Christians are still under the law. There are young Christians reading this forum and u are giving them the impression that we are "living under the law of grace", which is utter rubbish.
I thought they always like to urge believers not to live under law, which implicitly means other believers, for example Jews, or even Brey-like Christians, are living under the law.
I really don't see any difference. Instead of 613 commandments, you now have 1 commandment - thou shall not live under the law. -
Oh ya .. one more thing .. some Christians believe whatever other religious believers do are never altruistic.
Every good deed done is to earn yourself a ticket to heaven.