I am not ashamed to say I am a Christian.....
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while you are a christian.....i am exactly your opposite................let me display to you my example.........in australia.........i asked people to lend me their notes to plagiarise.......they won't .....because they only think about themselves......and when i put a bait of 400 dollars......immediately the notes came.........doesn't money make things go round and round...............Originally posted by laoda99:I am a Christian who follow Christ.
Christ came for the sinners and not the righteous and I am a sinner who need Christ.
My only salvation is by believing in Christ and what Christ did on the cross for us.
The law and works won't save me, but god's undeserving grace for me will.
My salvation is guaranteed by Christ's perfect work on the cross and my sins, past, present, future is forgiven.
hey dude.......not that i want to critisise christianity or anything.....don;t get me wrong....you are entitled to your religion...i have mine too and it works perfectly well for my situation............hope you ain;t offended.....because that's my own personal experience. -
You are assuming that the word "Christian" means the same thing to all people. I would like to suggest to you that the word does not even mean the same thing to people who call themselves Christians. Ranging for Christian Science to Roman Catholics to Methodists.Originally posted by laoda99:I am a Christian who follow Christ.
Christ came for the sinners and not the righteous and I am a sinner who need Christ.
My only salvation is by believing in Christ and what Christ did on the cross for us.
The law and works won't save me, but god's undeserving grace for me will.
My salvation is guaranteed by Christ's perfect work on the cross and my sins, past, present, future is forgiven. -
well said!Originally posted by The Elder:I dont agree with what MC Square said. Good Christian still kena hum tum. Or else why so many martyrs for Christ or why so much persecution for some Christians. Why even though when Christians live out their lives as a good Christian according to what MC said, people still despise them or persecute them? I myself have undergone great persecution just bcos i am a Christian. False accusations have been leveled against me & every little fault is magnified to accuse me of being a bad person just bcos i am a Christian.
I think unbelievers have to realise they have a set mentality against Christians no matter good or bad ones. They will give reasons not to believe bcos of this sin of this Christian lah & that sin of that Christian lah when they are not supposed to fault find other people but to examine themselves & come to God on their own terms. They cannot stand before God one day & say hey those Christians are an awful bunch of people so i didnt believe bcos of them so cannot fault me God. What do u think God will say? -
Well spoken.Originally posted by M©+square:I admire your ability looking at the perspective of christianity in a all powerful and spiritual view.
May i just say this.
Men's personal belief onto Lord Jesus Christ is more important than whenever he profess himself as Christian or not.
Many professing Christian held the form, but not the power. Ashame isn't it?
Many held holiness and godliness high and honor and adoration, but never spoke or projected and works of the spirit, the presence of God. Ashame isnt it?
People may have even spoke of praying for a car lot.
And forgot to thank God for the very breath they take.
Have one stop to look at the sky and take God for the wonder clouds and atomsphere He had created for each person? Ashame isn't it?
Professing Christians......wake up from the slumber and worship the real God you professing Christians spoke about. Show forth the power of the Holy Spirit and be worthy of being a Christian.
This always reminds me of Moses and the Isrealites.....Judges, Kings....
God is always waiting for His people.....to know His heart.
I'm done with this thread.
You're free to say whatever you want.
The the real fact is that, there are people who cannot profess their faith for certain reasons. Go figure out the reality of life? -
i will follow your motives and desires by praising you because you are valourious and celestial for not being ashamed to say that you are christian
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people have to admit that their christian before you consider them christians?Originally posted by laoda99:I use the word ashamed becoz some christians here do not dare to address themselves as Christians.
I respect u as a buddhist, at least u are not like some of the Christians here, who do not dare to profess their faith and whom I am disappointed with.
U will be pleased to know that I am not "these kind of ppl" u have mentioned.
Thank u for reading.
then why do you believe in god? have u seen him? has he told you that he existed? -
very powerful and meaningful.Originally posted by M©+square:I admire your ability looking at the perspective of christianity in a all powerful and spiritual view.
May i just say this.
Men's personal belief onto Lord Jesus Christ is more important than whenever he profess himself as Christian or not.
Many professing Christian held the form, but not the power. Ashame isn't it?
Many held holiness and godliness high and honor and adoration, but never spoke or projected and works of the spirit, the presence of God. Ashame isnt it?
People may have even spoke of praying for a car lot.
And forgot to thank God for the very breath they take.
Have one stop to look at the sky and take God for the wonder clouds and atomsphere He had created for each person? Ashame isn't it?
Professing Christians......wake up from the slumber and worship the real God you professing Christians spoke about. Show forth the power of the Holy Spirit and be worthy of being a Christian.
This always reminds me of Moses and the Isrealites.....Judges, Kings....
God is always waiting for His people.....to know His heart.
I'm done with this thread.
You're free to say whatever you want.
The the real fact is that, there are people who cannot profess their faith for certain reasons. Go figure out the reality of life? -
i think u get me wrongOriginally posted by coffeeortea:people have to admit that their christian before you consider them christians?
then why do you believe in god? have u seen him? has he told you that he existed?
the issue here is for some "believers" who have lost faith with Christianity and are now calling themselves believers.
We have "believers" who do not go church, "believers" who do not believe in Christmas, Easter or Good Fridays. -
mm.. ok, i cannot think of anything else to say, since mcsquare has already "closed" this discussionOriginally posted by laoda99:i think u get me wrong
the issue here is for some "believers" who have lost faith with Christianity and are now calling themselves believers.
We have "believers" who do not go church, "believers" who do not believe in Christmas, Easter or Good Fridays. -
why do I get the feeling that we (the Christians and the believers) are all saying the same thing, but in different ways....
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because they're trying to UP the rating?Originally posted by Chin Eng:why do I get the feeling that we (the Christians and the believers) are all saying the same thing, but in different ways.... 
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orh .. .. ok lorOriginally posted by laoda99:I am a Christian who follow Christ.
Christ came for the sinners and not the righteous and I am a sinner who need Christ.
My only salvation is by believing in Christ and what Christ did on the cross for us.
The law and works won't save me, but god's undeserving grace for me will.
My salvation is guaranteed by Christ's perfect work on the cross and my sins, past, present, future is forgiven. -
because we are???Originally posted by Chin Eng:why do I get the feeling that we (the Christians and the believers) are all saying the same thing, but in different ways.... -
huh?Originally posted by alexkusu:Im a part time catholic
Part time????
Like how? 5 hours a day? Or twice a week? -
we are what? different, or saying the same things?Originally posted by breytonhartge:because we are??? -
probably saying the same things from different viewpoints...Originally posted by Chin Eng:we are what? different, or saying the same things?
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I suppose you are very rich. Some ppl dont even have money for a meal & here we have someone going to a prestigious university with buckloads of money to cheat his way to a degree. If this is your religion, i doubt your salvation.Originally posted by gohkatkat:while you are a christian.....i am exactly your opposite................let me display to you my example.........in australia.........i asked people to lend me their notes to plagiarise.......they won't .....because they only think about themselves......and when i put a bait of 400 dollars......immediately the notes came.........doesn't money make things go round and round...............
hey dude.......not that i want to critisise christianity or anything.....don;t get me wrong....you are entitled to your religion...i have mine too and it works perfectly well for my situation............hope you ain;t offended.....because that's my own personal experience. -
Thanks. I just cannot take it when ppl lump all Christians together & condemn the whole lot when many many have sacrificed their lives in the mission fields or died in His service. God bless!Originally posted by laoda99:well said! -
we must psycho him back to church... heheh...Originally posted by Honeybunz:huh?
Part time????
Like how? 5 hours a day? Or twice a week? -
Hit raw nerves didnt i?Originally posted by The Elder:I dont agree with what MC Square said. Good Christian still kena hum tum. Or else why so many martyrs for Christ or why so much persecution for some Christians. Why even though when Christians live out their lives as a good Christian according to what MC said, people still despise them or persecute them? I myself have undergone great persecution just bcos i am a Christian. False accusations have been leveled against me & every little fault is magnified to accuse me of being a bad person just bcos i am a Christian.
I think unbelievers have to realise they have a set mentality against Christians no matter good or bad ones. They will give reasons not to believe bcos of this sin of this Christian lah & that sin of that Christian lah when they are not supposed to fault find other people but to examine themselves & come to God on their own terms. They cannot stand before God one day & say hey those Christians are an awful bunch of people so i didnt believe bcos of them so cannot fault me God. What do u think God will say?
The Elder(whichever church elder you're from)
I suggest you re-read my post again, cause you've miss the big fat point i'm pointing to. And i'm mis-quoted and i quite very sure that i did not post as this - Originally posted by The Elder:
Why even though when Christians live out their lives as a good Christian according to what MC said, people still despise them or persecute them?
If you want to disagree with me, i hope you could refute my statement point by point.
Because i'm sure i'm referring to only one class/category of christians, instead i'm accused of lumping them(christians) together which i definitely did not meant that way.
Just to add on.
My post didn't mention about non believers or unbelief as well.
My post was directed very specifically at the relationship between God and Men/believers per say.
Whether you and any other martyrs have suffered persecution or not is another matter all together.
That's another topic altogether, but for now, i hope you'll re-read my post once again and find the gist of the message. -
The Elder......Originally posted by The Elder:Thanks. I just cannot take it when ppl lump all Christians together & condemn the whole lot when many many have sacrificed their lives in the mission fields or died in His service. God bless!
Calm down and read it objectively. Follow the thread topic before deriving to your assumption? -
I am also a christian but sunday service make me wonder.
my pastor ask the whole church to pray for a good government and PAP to return to power.
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What the heck?????Originally posted by princessdiana:I am also a christian but sunday service make me wonder.
my pastor ask the whole church to pray for a good government and PAP to return to power.
Why? For peace?
Religion and Politics!?!
(Oh incase i offend certain christians again. Change the word religion to RELATIONSHIP)
Ask your pastor not to mess with this lehz. -
Think u most happyOriginally posted by Icemoon:because they're trying to UP the rating? -
Originally posted by M©+square:
Since u are able to classified christians according to different class/categories, I am sure believers can also be classified:
If you want to disagree with me, i hope you could refute my statement point by point.
Because i'm sure i'm referring to only one class/category of christians, instead i'm accused of lumping them(christians) together which i definitely did not meant that way.
1) "Believers" who dun go church for fellowship. Shameful isn't it?
2) "Believers" who take some theology from Christianity/some from Judaism
Shameful isn't it?
3) "Believers" who are quite lost whether they are under grace or under the law. Shameful isn't it?
4) "Believers" who claim they leave church becoz of persecution/loss of faith. Shameful isn't it?
5) "Believers" who think they are spiritually higher than Christians. Shameful isn't it?
6) "Believers" who have an axe to grind with Christians. Shameful isn't it?
7) "Believers" who like to view fire from the fences when Christians are being attacked, sometimes adding more fire on their own. Shameful isn't it?
"Believers" who are disappointed but genuinely want improvements made among Christians and they take a proactive approach to it and not distance themselves from Christians. This is the category/class of "believers" whom I genuinely admired.
and so on so forth
Quite interested to know how u classified urself among the "believers". Have u woke up already like the Christians whom u challenged them to?