Salvation is guaranteed thru Christ's work on the cross
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....and not by any works or keeping any commandments.
Justification is once and binding. Our salvation is guaranteed thru Christ's perfect work on the cross.
Gospel Justification:
1) What is justification?
Justification is an act of God's free grace, where he pardons all our sins.
2) Free Grace - based on Christ's merits, not men's
3) Our pardon - our sins
4) Our acceptance - of what our lord did for us on the cross
5) By faith apart from the law (Romans 3:21, 22)
God has given us his grace freely. Let's not take his grace in vain by wanting to please him by observing the law.
Let us not rely on works but by his grace - and not rob god of his glory (salvation in saving us thru grace) -
In my house, there are house rules, there are rules set up that I expect my daughter to obey and follow. Whenever she follows these instructions I had given her, it pleases me, whenever she strays from them, I have to correct her, but be sure of this, whether she obeys or disobeys, my love for her will still remains, and I will always be ready to help her up whenever she falls.
I guess the same is for God to us, He had given us laws/instructions to follows, we may follow/ we may failed to follow, but know this, either way, God's love for us remains, for He will never forsake us or leave us. by the way, one of the reason the Holy Spirit is given to us, is so He can continuiosly guide us in the things of the Lord.
God Bless.
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Yes. We can do nothing less/nothing more to make him love us more/less.Originally posted by vince69:In my house, there are house rules, there are rules set up that I expect my daughter to obey and follow. Whenever she follows these instructions I had given her, it pleases me, whenever she strays from them, I have to correct her, but be sure of this, whether she obeys or disobeys, my love for her will still remains, and I will always be ready to help her up whenever she falls.
I guess the same is for God to us, He had given us laws/instructions to follows, we may follow/ we may failed to follow, but know this, either way, God's love for us remains, for He will never forsake us or leave us. by the way, one of the reason the Holy Spirit is given to us, is so He can continuiosly guide us in the things of the Lord.
God Bless.
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Tonight EH sibeh energetic.
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me very sleepy liao, but cannot sleep, still have work to do..Originally posted by M©+square:Tonight EH sibeh energetic. 
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SIGH. BUT IF A CHRISTIAN KEEPS DISOBEYING GOD, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM? WILL HE BE CHASED OUT OF THE HOUSE LIKE WHAT SOME PARENTS DID TO RECALCITRANT CHILDREN?Originally posted by vince69:In my house, there are house rules, there are rules set up that I expect my daughter to obey and follow. Whenever she follows these instructions I had given her, it pleases me, whenever she strays from them, I have to correct her, but be sure of this, whether she obeys or disobeys, my love for her will still remains, and I will always be ready to help her up whenever she falls.
I guess the same is for God to us, He had given us laws/instructions to follows, we may follow/ we may failed to follow, but know this, either way, God's love for us remains, for He will never forsake us or leave us. by the way, one of the reason the Holy Spirit is given to us, is so He can continuiosly guide us in the things of the Lord.
God Bless. -
BUT I JUST FEEL HE IS BIASED. HE SEEMS TO LOVE SOME MORE THAN THE OTHERS. HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS? IF GOD'S LOVE IS ALWAYS CONSTANT, WHY SOME SUFFER MORE THAN OTHERS? WHY SOME MORE BLESSED THAN OTHERS? WHY GOD CHOOSE TO HELP SOME BUT NEGLECTED OTHERS? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS THEOLOGY BCOS GOD AINT FAIR!Originally posted by laoda99:Yes. We can do nothing less/nothing more to make him love us more/less.
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Look at it this way: I have two sons, and most of the time, the amount of things they get from me is not the same: so am I being fair? None of them has ever complained that I am unfair because they know why there are differences sometimes.Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope:BUT I JUST FEEL HE IS BIASED. HE SEEMS TO LOVE SOME MORE THAN THE OTHERS. HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS? IF GOD'S LOVE IS ALWAYS CONSTANT, WHY SOME SUFFER MORE THAN OTHERS? WHY SOME MORE BLESSED THAN OTHERS? WHY GOD CHOOSE TO HELP SOME BUT NEGLECTED OTHERS? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS THEOLOGY BCOS GOD AINT FAIR! -
willfully disobey? then the question is, has this person truely accepted Christ in the first place.Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope:SIGH. BUT IF A CHRISTIAN KEEPS DISOBEYING GOD, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM? WILL HE BE CHASED OUT OF THE HOUSE LIKE WHAT SOME PARENTS DID TO RECALCITRANT CHILDREN?
failed to obey/follow? then this is a different story, then the answer is no, but will keep getting corrections. The thing is this, the more we know we are forgiven, the more we don't want to do it again, yes, we may fall once in a while, but God's grace is always sufficient for us, to pick up from where we fall and move on.
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Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope: BUT I JUST FEEL HE IS BIASED. HE SEEMS TO LOVE SOME MORE THAN THE OTHERS. HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS? IF GOD'S LOVE IS ALWAYS CONSTANT, WHY SOME SUFFER MORE THAN OTHERS? WHY SOME MORE BLESSED THAN OTHERS? WHY GOD CHOOSE TO HELP SOME BUT NEGLECTED OTHERS? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS THEOLOGY BCOS GOD AINT FAIR!
It is your own personal experience that is important... you have to come to a point where you do not question God anymore... you do not judge God anymore... only then can you come to an understanding of who and what God is... some people experience what is called
"spititual awakening" As a Christian, you can too... but you must stop questioning God before you can. -
In my Adult Christian Education class, we learnt about:Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope:BUT I JUST FEEL HE IS BIASED. HE SEEMS TO LOVE SOME MORE THAN THE OTHERS. HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS? IF GOD'S LOVE IS ALWAYS CONSTANT, WHY SOME SUFFER MORE THAN OTHERS? WHY SOME MORE BLESSED THAN OTHERS? WHY GOD CHOOSE TO HELP SOME BUT NEGLECTED OTHERS? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS THEOLOGY BCOS GOD AINT FAIR!
1) As a Christian, what exposes my lack of faith in gospel justification.
a) exaggerate my goodness/minimize my sin
b) exaggerate others' sin/minimize goodness
c) gossip/confess the sin of others
As humans we always condemn others so that we can look better. Same like when we always condemn god so that we can be justified:- Why god is doing this to me? god u make me so angry! god u are so unfair!
We tend to self-justify ourselves (our beliefs e.g. that god is unfair) and do not want to rest in Christ. By putting one in charge and engaging in self-justification, it means death to the gospel. We will always find reasons to justify our unbelief and will never be able to rest with who we are and why we need to rest in Christ.
2) Why do I need the gospel as a believer?
B4 Christ:
Repent and believe in the gospel
After Christ:
Worship
Witness
Bible study
Prayer
Discipleship
Fellowship
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Originally posted by laoda99:
This is an end to all this and not after death also... open your eyes and you will see... I am sure your preachers and pastors ask you to hide like a tortise... well dont'; it is abig world out there. You will never grow if you keep your head in the sand.
and [b]Repent and believe in the gospel (it is an ongoing process which never end) [/b] -
erhm.... okOriginally posted by laoda99:....and not by any works or keeping any commandments.
Justification is once and binding. Our salvation is guaranteed thru Christ's perfect work on the cross.
Gospel Justification:
1) What is justification?
Justification is an act of God's free grace, where he pardons all our sins.
2) Free Grace - based on Christ's merits, not men's
3) Our pardon - our sins
4) Our acceptance - of what our lord did for us on the cross
5) By faith apart from the law (Romans 3:21, 22)
God has given us his grace freely. Let's not take his grace in vain by wanting to please him by observing the law.
Let us not rely on works but by his grace - and not rob god of his glory (salvation in saving us thru grace)
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You always got work to do one lah.Originally posted by vince69:me very sleepy liao, but cannot sleep, still have work to do.. -
good nightOriginally posted by M©+square:You always got work to do one lah. -
Actually I have found the process of being a Christian a very enlightening one, and it has pulled my perspectives out of many holes in the sand. I am not sure what exactly you are refering to actually, but I do think that to learn about painting you learn from the master, to learn thinking you learn from the one that authored it. It seems to be to be a rational and logical thing to so if the master of such a thing exists.Originally posted by casino_king:This is an end to all this and not after death also... open your eyes and you will see... I am sure your preachers and pastors ask you to hide like a tortise... well dont'; it is abig world out there. You will never grow if you keep your head in the sand. -
good night unker vincy.Originally posted by vince69:good night -
Hi, i believe we can believe our discussion over here.
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Hence i'm going to close this thread.
Just to tidy up things a little.