Righteousness through faith
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OK now we can go back to this one.Originally posted by Icemoon:to know you're believing in the right god?
to score A in theology?
to fellowship with fellow students?
The one who posted had not decided if he believes that there is only one God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. Maybe he still thinks it is a trick question.
For those who like CE believes that the answer to do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God is YES; how can there be a right God and a wrong God? -
Think about this while you think about the earlier questions. I am logging off.
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Do you believe your own logic? I am not sure I believe you could really dare to put it up to your own tests.
Arguing down on line, while internally consistent, does not mean your logic would be consistent when finally exposed to all of logicdom.
You asked a question if we truly believed with everything that there was only one God, then how can there be a right and wrong God?
Simply put there isn't- there is only one correct notion of God that everybody should (and I believe will) finally believe in the end. The real debate is over which notions of God get as closer to this absolute.
And in this you seem to have it mixed up somehow that wanting to hold a notion for a particular monotheism destroys theism itself, which is thinly argued out in your arguments on people co-opting ideas and writing books.
In the end views on a subject are views from a prespective, but certainly it cannot be said that all views are equal, but rather to be judged by the absolute itself. The very fact there is debate is because there is an absolute to be argued over in the first place, and the fight is all about if this or that view is better at grasping this absolute.
In the end your stance is self-defeating in the end. To accept truth claims as all equally valid would be to dissolve the absolute itself. It is as good as saying nothing by saying alot.
And another thing I don't quite get why you don't seem to get. Just because I may be of an opposing point of view with another person does not mean that I will have to be totally opposed to them. As far as I am concerned I am only in opposition when the first principle of non-contradiction is concerned. We will oppose when one says that Jesus was just a prophet while we see Him as God. We will oppose when they think that He never died on the cross while we think he did.
All the same we would agree if we both think that there is only one true God seperate from his creation as opposed to polytheism and pantheism. All the same we would hold the same view if we believed that He created all that we can observed.
That is not hard to understand at all, what is hard to understand is that while you appeal to the winds of logic at one moment, telling us to watch for contradictions in our own logic, the very next you decry objective logic itself by suggesting that to make an absolute truth claim destroys truth itself.
I believe wrong does not create or exist to itself, it is simply an lack of right. Right can exist without wrong but wrong cannot without some right to make it the way it is, that part is clear to me. So to answer your question, yes we do believe there is One God, and in no way that belief creates an paradox of 'how-can-there-be-a-right-and-wrong-god'... the paradox as it is, is purely imaginary and can only happen when one decides to abandon first principles (and oddly enough use them to construct some other arguments for the paradox). -
right god? wrong god?Originally posted by casino_king:OK now we can go back to this one.
The one who posted had not decided if he believes that there is only one God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. Maybe he still thinks it is a trick question.
For those who like CE believes that the answer to do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God is YES; how can there be a right God and a wrong God?
sheesh....change of topic again? -
It is a trick question 'cos you're the one asking.Originally posted by casino_king:OK now we can go back to this one.
The one who posted had not decided if he believes that there is only one God with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his mind, and with all his strength. Maybe he still thinks it is a trick question.
you seem to suggest Brahma and YHWH are the same. I'm approaching this with some caution .. -
Did I suggest that Brahma and YHWH are the same or is that only in your own head? So do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is a trick question 'cos you're the one asking.
you seem to suggest Brahma and YHWH are the same. I'm approaching this with some caution ..
Mustn't you be sure of what and why you believe? Look at the other thread, I ask a simple question if there is scientific evidence of the existence of God and instead of being sure of what and why they believe and tell me "no," I got lots and lots of blulshit answers.
You must be rooted and answer people in a confident manner, unless you are not confident yourself; in which case, it is better to acknowledge your own lack and find out exactly what you lack. -
when pple ask u something, u also never answer direct leh......Originally posted by casino_king:Did I suggest that Brahma and YHWH are the same or is that only in your own head? So do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?
Mustn't you be sure of what and why you believe? Look at the other thread, I ask a simple question if there is scientific evidence of the existence of God and instead of being sure of what and why they believe and tell me "no," I got lots and lots of blulshit answers.
You must be rooted and answer people in a confident manner, unless you are not confident yourself; in which case, it is better to acknowledge your own lack and find out exactly what you lack. -
When I answer direct it is like throwing pearls to pigs... so now I am taking this tack. I don't answer I only ask the questions...Originally posted by laoda99:when pple answer u, u also never answer direct leh...... -
wah liew...u too much man....and u can say this is exchange of ideas...Originally posted by casino_king:When I answer direct it is like throwing pearls to pigs... so now I am taking this tack. I don't answer I only ask the questions...
haizzz...we wasted so much time with a high and mighty pig like u -
I ask a simple question: "Do you have scientific evidence of the existence of God and you are stuck."Originally posted by laoda99:wah liew...u too much man....
haizzz...we wasted so much time with a high and mighty pig like u
"I ask another simple question: "Do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?" You are stuck again. How can I tell you anything when you get stuck over such basic things? -
So are Brahma and YHWH the same? Answer my question. If they are not the same, then how are they different?Originally posted by casino_king:Did I suggest that Brahma and YHWH are the same or is that only in your own head? So do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?
Mustn't you be sure of what and why you believe? Look at the other thread, I ask a simple question if there is scientific evidence of the existence of God and instead of being sure of what and why they believe and tell me "no," I got lots and lots of blulshit answers.
You must be rooted and answer people in a confident manner, unless you are not confident yourself; in which case, it is better to acknowledge your own lack and find out exactly what you lack.
You asked a simple question whether there is scientific evidence of the existence of God. The answer is obvious - no. They gave you bullshit answers 'cos you've been asking too many bullshit questions. -
hey who is stuck....i think u are stuck....always change ur topics when u are stuck....Originally posted by casino_king:I ask a simple question: "Do you have scientific evidence of the existence of God and you are stuck."
"I ask another simple question: "Do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?" You are stuck again. How can I tell you anything when you get stuck over such basic things?
go back and read my threads...dun confuse me with icemoon leh....
me, chin eng and trex all have answered ur %^#^@& questions....only u have avoided....u writing another gnostic gospel here har? (CK gnostic gospel) -
Pray what pearls are you giving?Originally posted by casino_king:When I answer direct it is like throwing pearls to pigs... so now I am taking this tack. I don't answer I only ask the questions...
It just another words for you dont know the answers -
he giving those pearls in the bubble tea.Originally posted by laurence82:Pray what pearls are you giving?
It just another words for you dont know the answers -
Since you are not stuck and are so smart, then answer me: "If there is only one God, how can there be a right or a wrong God?"
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Just ask but don't answer? That's a useful tact to suddenly take... notice how this stance is taken with no justifications whatsoever. I find such a tact not only self-contradicting to your earlier tacts but also inherently dishonest.
I ask the questions, you can rebutt me... but I am immune from answering you. In fact I might even ignore your answers and just ask more of the same. Butter I can say whatever I want without having to account for their logical consistency beause I 'only ask questions' and 'don't have to answer.'
Is this not an example of wishful thinking?
Sounds 'scientific'. I don't like to be nasty, but it is obvious that C.K. seems to have departed a long time ago from actual intellectual discourse. What's stranger is that all this is being kept under the guise of an intellectual discourse. One might say idle talk is more fruitful here.
It does say something in proverbs about what we should do when we find ourself answering a fool according to his own folly. How could it be applied here? -
We never say we are smart, and not stuck. Tsk tsk, insinuation is bad for health.Originally posted by casino_king:Since you are not stuck and are so smart, then answer me: "If there is only one God, how can there be a right or a wrong God?"
We also must examine the validity of our questions before we ask them
Anyway, what the fark is right or wrong god? -
I dunno how to make sense of your question. maybe you should elaborate.Originally posted by casino_king:Since you are not stuck and are so smart, then answer me: "If there is only one God, how can there be a right or a wrong God?" -
yum yumOriginally posted by Icemoon:he giving those pearls in the bubble tea.
i like CK really
I am not pissed with him even though he say I pig.....
what exactly is he trying to prove....hmmmm
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I say I believe in God, I say I talk to God. How can I be wrong?Originally posted by Icemoon:I dunno how to make sense of your question. maybe you should elaborate. -
wrong about what?Originally posted by casino_king:I say I believe in God, I say I talk to God. How can I be wrong?
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You said you read the bible "to know you're believing in the right god?"Originally posted by Icemoon:wrong about what?
If there is only one God, how can there be a right or wrong God? -
u mean...how can there be a right God and a left God?Originally posted by casino_king:how can there be a right God and a wrong God?
I think u r right....there is only one God..... no right or left god.....
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of course got right God or wrong God.Originally posted by casino_king:You said you read the bible "to know you're believing in the right god?"
If there is only one God, how can there be a right or wrong God?
that's the whole point about jewish-christian differences, isn't it?